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    08 Aug '18 01:53
    Google owns youtube and they are both suppressing certain political views. Twitter is doing it too.
    I am convinced Google and Twitter are owned by the same elites that own the corporate news media channels. Some people call those elites the establishment. Some call them the deep state. Whatever you call them they are trying to keep you from knowing the truth that inconveniences them. Should people condemn them for it and make them suffer a backlash in the form of an exodus to alternative websites? Are there others that censor we should know about? Just how bad is this problem?

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/twitters-censorship-may-be-unconstitutional

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/09/19/goog-s19.html

    https://www.theissue.com/politics/youtube-censors-ron-pauls-liberty-report-page
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    08 Aug '18 02:06
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Google owns youtube and they are both suppressing certain political views. Twitter is doing it too.
    I am convinced Google and Twitter are owned by the same elites that own the corporate news media channels. Some people call those elites the establishment. Some call them the deep state. Whatever you call them they are trying to keep you from knowing the ...[text shortened]... goog-s19.html

    https://www.theissue.com/politics/youtube-censors-ron-pauls-liberty-report-page
    The White House is where the 'deep state' lives.
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    08 Aug '18 11:28
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    The White House is where the 'deep state' lives.
    You mean the Koch and Murdoch households.
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    08 Aug '18 11:421 edit
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    You mean the Koch and Murdoch households.
    Kochs have stormed out...their money cant buy Trump...libs faithfully playing the part of useful idiots.
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    08 Aug '18 15:21
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    The White House is where the 'deep state' lives.
    They are censoring both the far left and the far right, not only the right. Basically anybody who is against war.
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    08 Aug '18 15:21
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Kochs have stormed out...their money cant buy Trump...libs faithfully playing the part of useful idiots.
    Now, now, it seems that Koch is a good guy now that he hates Trump.
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    08 Aug '18 15:23
    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/alex-jones-and-the-rise-of-corporate-censorship/21658#.W2sG6uSotPb

    So we’re now trusting the capitalist class, massive, unaccountable corporations, to decide on our behalf what we may listen to and talk about? This is the take-home message, the terrible take-home message, of the expulsion of Alex Jones’ Infowars network from Apple, Facebook and Spotify and of the wild whoops of delight that this summary banning generated among so-called liberals: that people are now okay with allowing global capitalism to govern the public sphere and to decree what is sayable and what is unsayable. Corporate censorship, liberals’ new favourite thing – how bizarre.

    We live in strange times. On one hand it is fashionable to hate capitalism these days. No middle-class home is complete without a Naomi Klein tome; making memes of Marx is every twentysomething Corbynistas’ favourite pastime. But on the other hand we seem content to trust Silicon Valley, the new frontier in corporate power, to make moral judgements about what kind of content people should be able to see online. Radicals and liberals declared themselves ‘very glad’ that these business elites enforced censorship against Jones and Infowars. We should be ‘celebrating the move’, said Vox, because ‘it represents a crucial step forward in the fight against fake news’. Liberals for capitalist censorship! The world just got that bit odder, and less free.


    Over the past 24 hours, Jones and much of his Infowars channel has been ‘summarily banned’ – in the excitable words of Vox – from Apple, Facebook, Spotify and YouTube. Initially, Facebook and YouTube had taken only selective measures against Jones. In response to a Twitterstorm about his presence on these platforms, they took down some of his videos. But then Apple decided to ban Jones entirely – removing all episodes of his podcast from its platform – and the other online giants followed suit. Or as the thrilled liberal commentary put it: ‘The dominoes started to fall.’ Despite having millions of subscribers, despite there being a public interest in what he has to say, Jones has been cast out of the world of social media, which is essentially the public square of the 21st century, on the basis that what he says is wicked.

    This is censorship. There will of course be apologists for the corporate control of speech, on both the left and right, who will say, ‘It’s only censorship when the government does it!’. They are so wrong. When enormous companies that have arguably become the facilitators of public debate expel someone and his ideas because they find them morally repugnant, that is censorship. Powerful people have deprived an individual and his network of a key space in which they might propagate their beliefs. Aka censorship.


    It doesn’t matter what you think of Jones. It doesn’t matter if you think he is mad, eccentric, and given to embracing crackpot theories about school shootings being faked. You should still be worried about what has happened to him because it confirms we have moved into a new era of outsourced censorship. It shows that what was once done by the state is now done by corporations. The illiberal, intolerant cleansing from public life of ideas judged to be offensive or dangerous has shifted from being the state’s thing to being the business elite’s thing. Witness how many campaigners for censorship now seek to marshal capitalist power to the end of erasing voices they don’t like – from the Dump Farage campaign that wants corporations to withdraw their advertising from LBC until it dumps Nigel Farage as a presenter to the calling on Silicon Valley to deprive the oxygen of publicity to offensive broadcasters.

    In essence, so-called liberals and sections of the political class now want corporations to do their dirty work for them. They want the capitalist elites to do what it has become somewhat unfashionable for the state to do: ban controversial political speech. What an extraordinary folly this is. To empower global capitalism to act as judge, jury and executioner on what may be said on social-media platforms, in the new public square, is to sign the death warrant of freedom of speech. What if these bosses decide next that Marxist speech is unacceptable? Or that Zionist speech is dangerous? In green-lighting the censorship of Jones, we grant corporate suits the moral authority to censor pretty much anything else, too.

    People on both the liberal left and the libertarian right argue that what has been done to Jones is acceptable because this is simply a case of businesses deciding freely who they should associate with or provide platforms to. This is disingenuous. This was not a clean, independent business decision – it was a rash act of silencing carried out under pressure from a moralised mob that insisted Jones’ words are too wicked for public life. This isn’t the free market in action – it’s the bending of capitalist power to the end of enforcing moral controls on speech. There is one very interesting thing that will spring from this incident: we will witness the severe limitations of right-wing libertarianism. Libertarians’ obsession with the state, their belief that things are only bad if the state does them, means they are incapable of arguing against capitalist authoritarianism, and in fact even support it on the basis that this is the free market being the free market (even though it isn’t). Libertarianism is devastatingly ill-prepared for the new authoritarianism, for tackling the rise of outsourced censorship and informal intolerance.

    For good or ill, the social-media sphere is the new public sphere. The expulsion of people from these platforms is to 2018 what a state ban on the publication or sale of certain books was to 1618. How can we convince the owners of social media to permit the freest speech possible and to trust their users to negotiate the world of ideas for themselves? This is the question we should be asking ourselves, rather than concocting more ways to encourage these corporate overlords to censor and blacklist.
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    08 Aug '18 15:23
    Do corporations have the right to ban right wing media on the basis that they spew "hate speech" and "lies".

    Absolutely!

    Should they? That is the question each of us must answer.

    Do we mind seeing Madonna on YouTube get up there and say she wants to blow up the White House? Should that be banned? Isn't that hate speech?

    Do we mind seeing CNN on YouTube getting up there and telling lies such as the Travel ban implemented by Trump was a ban on Muslims instead of correctly saying it was a ban that did not effect well over 90% of Muslims in the world?

    Do we mind seeing Maxine Waters getting up there on YouTube and inciting her followers to "resist" in any way possible? Before you answer, keep in mind a Bernie Sanders follower tried to assassinate the entire GOP Congress.

    What we now have are openly Leftist corporations, at war with conservatives, every bit as much as the IRS who targeted them under Obama.

    Is this a good thing?

    What say you?

    When it comes to Alex Jones, I know precious little about him, but all I see are stories that attack his character, anything from him believing crazy conspiracy theories to his wife who is divorcing him saying he is a terrible person.

    Yet we allow people like Madonna up there who is the queen of failed relationships speak her mind, and we let people like Nancy Pelosi get up there and say that "W" lied about WMD's as they used politicized intelligence from the experts that soon afterwards were after Trump to be shown on places like YouTube.

    Is this a good development or a bad one?
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    08 Aug '18 15:251 edit
    What we have here is a fascist Left wing.

    They are book burners.

    I doubt anyone here will support allowing someone like Alex Jones back on these sites, or at least censoring Left wing dribble that is comparable.

    My bad, the Left wing, like Hillary, never lies or uses hate speech.
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    08 Aug '18 15:31
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Do corporations have the right to ban right wing media on the basis that they spew "hate speech" and "lies".

    Absolutely!

    Should they? That is the question each of us must answer.

    Do we mind seeing Madonna on YouTube get up there and say she wants to blow up the White House? Should that be banned? Isn't that hate speech?

    Do we mind seeing CNN ...[text shortened]... ere after Trump to be shown on places like YouTube.

    Is this a good development or a bad one?
    I'm pretty sure Ron Paul was not spewing hate speech and lies.
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    08 Aug '18 15:37
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    I'm pretty sure Ron Paul was not spewing hate speech and lies.
    Of course not.

    But here is how they treated Ron Paul. They ignored him completely.

    YouTube

    That is because he was the limited government real deal, something so terrifying to Progs they hate him much worse than Trump.

    However, the press gives Trump 24/7 news coverage, all the way through the election cycle. That tells me that most of this "hate" is manufactured for a purpose. If they really hated him, they would just ignore him like Ron.
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    08 Aug '18 15:47
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Of course not.

    But here is how they treated Ron Paul. They ignored him completely.

    [youtube]dWet2SbU07c[/youtube]

    That is because he was the limited government real deal, something so terrifying to Progs they hate him much worse than Trump.

    However, the press gives Trump 24/7 news coverage, all the way through the election cycle. That tells me ...[text shortened]... " is manufactured for a purpose. If they really hated him, they would just ignore him like Ron.
    I agree. I think Trump would like to rebel and do things his way, but they have too much dirt on him for it to happen much. The establishment likes to control everything, especially the POTUS. That is why they give more attention to the most flawed candidates they can blackmail.
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    08 Aug '18 15:52
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Google owns youtube and they are both suppressing certain political views. Twitter is doing it too.
    I am convinced Google and Twitter are owned by the same elites that own the corporate news media channels. Some people call those elites the establishment. Some call them the deep state. Whatever you call them they are trying to keep you from knowing the ...[text shortened]... goog-s19.html

    https://www.theissue.com/politics/youtube-censors-ron-pauls-liberty-report-page
    Obviously you are convinced.
    You are a moron.

    Now, which views are being surpressed?
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    08 Aug '18 15:581 edit
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Obviously you are convinced.
    You are a moron.

    Now, which views are being surpressed?
    https://d.tube/#!/v/styxhexenhammer/8nxzpgo0

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/09/19/goog-s19.html
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    08 Aug '18 16:152 edits
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    I agree. I think Trump would like to rebel and do things his way, but they have too much dirt on him for it to happen much. The establishment likes to control everything, especially the POTUS. That is why they give more attention to the most flawed candidates they can blackmail.
    Nothing changes under Trump other than the mobilization of the Left. That is why he was put there.

    No wall, no fiscal sanity, abortion will still be the law of the land, and the economy is doing better so that the US is ready for more increased taxation and regulations.

    Wash, rinse, repeat.
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