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  1. 03 Jan '15 19:02
    BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    You say we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.... This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard.

    And among them are these:

    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known.. Jeremiah Wright ought to go down on his knees and thank God he is an American.

    Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the '60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream. Governments, businesses and colleges have engaged in discrimination against white folks -- with affirmative action, contract set-asides and quotas -- to advance black applicants over white applicants. Churches, foundations, civic groups, schools and individuals all over America have donated their time and money to support soup kitchens, adult education, day care, retirement and nursing homes for blacks.
    We hear the grievances. Where is the gratitude??

    Obama talks about new 'ladders of opportunity' for blacks. Let him go to Altoona ? And Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for 'deserving' white kids...? Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America ? Is it really white America 's fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

    Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself ?

    As for racism, its ugliest manifestation is in interracial crime, and especially interracial crimes of violence. Is Barack Obama aware that while white criminals choose black victims 3 percent of the time, black criminals choose white victims 45 percent of the time ?

    Is Obama aware that black-on-white rapes are 100 times more common than the reverse, that black-on-white robberies were 139 times as common in the first three years of this decade as the reverse ?

    We have all heard ad nauseam from the Rev. Al about Tawana Brawley, the Duke rape case and Jena . And all turned out to be hoaxes. But about the epidemic of black assaults on whites that are real, we hear nothing .

    Sorry, Barack, some of us have heard it all before, about 40 years and 40 trillion tax dollars ago. This needs to be passed around because, this is a message everyone needs to hear !!!

    OK..........will you pass it on?

    YES. I did but will you?

    Because I'm for a better America

    I am
    Not racist,
    Not violent ,
    Just not silent anymore .

    In GOD we trust
  2. 03 Jan '15 19:15
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks.
    By what measure? Is the average black person in the US better off than, say, the average black person in Sweden?
  3. 03 Jan '15 19:20
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra to Hugh Glass
    By what measure? Is the average black person in the US better off than, say, the average black person in Sweden?
    There's no need to look that far away to make a comparison.
    Are black people in the USA better off the black people in Canada?
    I think there's a consensus (outside the USA) that Canada is a less racist
    society than the USA.
  4. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    03 Jan '15 19:44
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    BUCHANAN TO OBAMA
    By Patrick J. Buchanan

    You say we need to have a conversation about race in America .. Fair enough. But this time, it has to be a two-way conversation. White America needs to be heard from, not just lectured to.... This time, the Silent Majority needs to have its convictions, grievances and demands heard.

    And among them are the ...[text shortened]... tter America

    I am
    Not racist,
    Not violent ,
    Just not silent anymore .

    In GOD we trust
    I am a liberal, but must agree with this. This has been a one sided conversation with only white people as the bad guy's. It's not that way.
  5. 03 Jan '15 20:00
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    By what measure? Is the average black person in the US better off than, say, the average black person in Sweden?
    How about by the measure that Buchanan cites, that from the small base of slaves imported, some 40 million free blacks have emerged with a high standard of living, something in terms of numbers not Canada, and not Sweden comes close to.

    Tell me about Sweden in a coupld of generations when the African immigrants have successfully intergrated into the Swedish culture, and are relatively as numberous as are blacks in America.

    Besides, you are nitpicking to avoid facing the main point, that race discussions must be two way, and must recognize reality. White people in America are not soley responsible for the problems of black people.
  6. 03 Jan '15 20:01 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by bill718 to HughGlass
    I am a liberal, but must agree with this. This has been a one sided conversation
    with only white people as the bad guy's. It's not that way.
    It's absurd to believe that white Americans' voices have been silent in the
    US media's coverage of racism. The overwhelming majority of commentators
    in the US media are white Americans. The most popular radio talk show hosts
    (e.g. Rush Limbaugh) are white Americans. Bill718 seems to be acting as though
    white Americans have as little influence as Asian-Americans in the US media.
  7. 03 Jan '15 20:14
    Originally posted by normbenign to KazetNagorra
    How about by the measure that Buchanan cites, that from the small base of slaves imported, some 40 million free blacks have emerged with a high standard of living, something in terms of numbers not Canada, and not Sweden comes close to.

    Tell me about Sweden in a coupld of generations when the African immigrants have successfully intergr ...[text shortened]... ze reality. White people in America are not soley responsible for the problems of black people.
    Given Normbenign's support of the Confederate States of America, his
    writing now of 'free blacks' seems to be an example of extreme chutzpah.

    Normbenign's argument is that the USA has more black people than any
    other Western society. So what? Throughout its history, Canada has
    treated its black minority better. Slavery was abolished earlier in Canada.
    Canada did not institute practices such as Jim Crow laws in the USA.
    I don't know of many black Canadians who are eager to flee to the USA.

    "White people in America are not soley (sic) responsible for the problems of black people."
    --Normbenign

    Agreed. But who claimed they were?
  8. 03 Jan '15 20:15
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    It's absurd to believe that white Americans' voices have been silent in the
    US media's coverage of racism. The overwhelming majority of commentators
    in the US media are white Americans. The most popular radio talk show hosts
    (e.g. Rush Limbaugh) are white Americans.
    Commentators being white doesn't assure a white perspective. Liberal white people in America suffer from guilt complex based on the presumption that whites are responsible for all the suffering of blacks.

    The cases of alleged racism in Ferguson and Staten Island dominate not only this forum, but also the major news media, both print and broadcast. On the other hand, there is little publicity of the knockout game, or other random interracial crime with whites as target victims of blacks. A read of Colin Flaherty's "White Girl Bleed a Lot" might alter that perception, or just try living for a short while in one of America's urban ghettos to get a more realistic perspective.
  9. 03 Jan '15 20:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Given Normbenign's support of the Confederate States of America, his
    writing now of 'free blacks' seems to be an example of extreme chutzpah.

    Normbenign's argument is that the USA has more black people than any
    other Western society. So what? Throughout its history, Canada has
    treated its black minority better. Slavery was abolished earlier in Ca ...[text shortened]... onsible for the problems of black people."
    --Normbenign

    Agreed. But who claimed they were?
    Did you bother reading the OP? Canada has roughly the same black population as US States like Vermont and New Hampshire, where blacks have also been treated fairly well. A small minority are not very threatening, whereas a large and culturally different group tends to threaten the equilibrium of a society.
  10. 03 Jan '15 20:25
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Did you bother reading the OP?
    If Normbenign believes that US President Obama blames all black Americans'
    problems upon white Americans, then I think his belief is incorrect.

    I suppose there may be some opportunistic black American politicians who
    like to blame all black Americans' problems upon white Americans, but I don't
    think they represent all black Americans.
  11. 03 Jan '15 20:28
    Originally posted by normbenign
    How about by the measure that Buchanan cites, that from the small base of slaves imported, some 40 million free blacks have emerged with a high standard of living, something in terms of numbers not Canada, and not Sweden comes close to.
    So black people are relatively well off in the US because there are relatively many of them? Really?
  12. 03 Jan '15 20:31
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    So black people are relatively well off in the US because there are relatively many of them? Really?
    I can only conclude you did not understand what I wrote.
  13. 03 Jan '15 20:36
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    If Normbenign believes that US President Obama blames all black Americans'
    problems upon white Americans, then I think his belief is incorrect.

    I suppose there may be some opportunistic black American politicians who
    like to blame all black Americans' problems upon white Americans, but I don't
    think they represent all black Americans.
    I'm not sure about Obama, but he at least leans to that premise in his policies if not his words.

    I agree that opportunists such as Al Sharpton don't represent all black Americans. However, his presense tends to alter perceptions of many black Americans who might otherwise not even think of ideas promoted by race hustlers.
  14. 03 Jan '15 20:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Did you bother reading the OP? Canada has roughly the same black population as US States like Vermont and New Hampshire, where blacks have also been treated fairly well. A small minority are not very threatening, whereas a large and culturally different group tends to threaten the equilibrium of a society.
    Normbenign keeps making up his 'facts'.

    "Canada has roughly the same black population as US states like Vermont and New Hampshire"
    --Normbenign

    Canada's black minority (2011) is estimated at about 950,000 (2.9% )
    Vermont's black minority is estimated at 1.0%.
    New Hampshire's black minority is estimated at 1.1%.

    So Canada's black minority is *almost three times larger proportionally*
    than Vermont's or New Hampshire's.
  15. 03 Jan '15 20:36
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I can only conclude you did not understand what I wrote.
    Care to explain?