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  1. 28 Feb '15 12:38 / 2 edits
    We all like to think that our government is better than others, that we are morally superior, yet we often fail to critically think about these things.

    Naturally, the horrific nature of the Holocaust tends to stand in the way. How on earth can any government be so evil?

    Genocide

    I guess it depends on ones perspective. If abortion is murder, as many think it is, then the US is far more guilty.

    Since the passage of Roe vs. Wade, there have been well over 55 million documented abortions. Hitler is only credited with about 11 million murders. In fact, the entire death count of World War 2 was about the same number, between 50-70 million dead. This does not include all the abortions in other "Progressive" countries around the world who practice genocide on their unborn.

    Of course, abortion is a kinder gentler genocide. There are no ugly death camps. There is no video of people suffering. Abortion is a quick procedure for which we hear no audible screams. No pictures of piled up dead bodies rotting in the sun. All there is to be seen is a dumpster around the back of the building that no one takes pictures of. After all, out of sight is out of mind.

    Military conquest.

    Hitler is known to have only conquered and occupied around 21 countries. Conversely, since the days of the great military Progressives like Wilson, FDR, LBJ, and yes, "W", the US now has troops in over 135 countries. That means the US has a military presence in over 70% of the world's countries. Such military influence is unprecedented in world history. Think of it, every collectivist to date, ranging from Alexander the Great to Hitler has dreamed of world conquest. The US is just 30% away!!

    Economics

    Hitler boasted in 1938 of unemployment that was practically nonexistent. Wages even increased by about 10.9%. Conversely, the modern Progressive economics is in a death spiral. The middle class has consistently decreased over the last 3 decades or more, and the rich keep getting richer despite the myriad of Progressive policies thrown at us over the years.

    Having said that, I find that the economic ideology of Hitler and the modern Progressives are very similar. This is what wiki has to say about Hitler's theory of economics.

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    At a later time, Hitler said: "Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether... What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism."[13] In private, Hitler also said that "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative".[16] On yet another occasion he qualified that statement by saying that the government should have the power to regulate the use of private property for the good of the nation.[17] Shortly after coming to power, Hitler told a confidant: "There is no license any more, no private sphere where the individual belongs to himself. That is socialism, not such trivial matters as the possibility of privately owning the means of production. Such things mean nothing if I subject people to a kind of discipline they can't escape...What need have we to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings".[1

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    With the US in regulation mode and increasing control over it's citizens, it would appear that Hitler would have been in agreement.

    Both Hitler and the modern Progressive have no real economic theory. Their goals are far more important than mere economic, which is world wide conquest and control. Perhaps this is why both Hitler and modern Progressives run such outrageous budgets. In fact, Germany spent so much in 1939 that he forbad the government from passing a budget so as to alert the average German to the spending problem. We see this in American politics today.
  2. 28 Feb '15 12:48
    Thanks for your insightful contribution.
  3. 28 Feb '15 12:54
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Thanks for your insightful contribution.
    Are there any more tyrants you folks in Europe want Obama to take out for ya like Gadaffi?
  4. 28 Feb '15 13:47 / 2 edits
    Most of those 135 countries only have 5 or 10 US military personnel in them on embassy duty, etc., it's not like they are being occupied.

    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.military.troops/
  5. 28 Feb '15 15:53
    Originally posted by whodey
    Are there any more tyrants you folks in Europe want Obama to take out for ya like Gadaffi?
    Yeah, Jeb Bush.
  6. 28 Feb '15 16:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Most of those 135 countries only have 5 or 10 US military personnel in them on embassy duty, etc., it's not like they are being occupied.

    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.military.troops/
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/03/laurence-m-vance/the-us-has-troops-in-135-countries/

    There is a new empire in town, and its global presence is increasing every day.

    The kingdom of Alexander the Great reached all the way to the borders of India. The Roman Empire controlled the Celtic regions of Northern Europe and all of the Hellenized states that bordered the Mediterranean. The Mongol Empire, which was the largest contiguous empire in history, stretched from Southeast Asia to Europe. The Byzantine Empire spanned the years 395 to 1453. In the sixteenth century, the Ottoman Empire stretched from the Persian Gulf in the east to Hungary in the northwest; and from Egypt in the south to the Caucasus in the north. At the height of its dominion, the British Empire included almost a quarter of the world’s population.

    Nothing, however, compares to the U.S. global empire. What makes U.S. hegemony unique is that it consists, not of control over great land masses or population centers, but of a global presence unlike that of any other country in history.

    The extent of the U.S. global empire is almost incalculable. The latest “Base Structure Report” of the Department of Defense states that the Department’s physical assets consist of “more than 600,000 individual buildings and structures, at more than 6,000 locations, on more than 30 million acres.” The exact number of locations is then given as 6,702 — divided into large installations (115), medium installations (115), and small installations/locations (6,472). This classification can be deceiving, however, because installations are only classified as small if they have a Plant Replacement Value (PRV) of less than $800 million.

    Although most of these locations are in the continental United States, 96 of them are in U.S. territories around the globe, and 702 of them are in foreign countries. But as Chalmers Johnson has documented, the figure of 702 foreign military installations is too low, for it does not include installations in Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, Kosovo, Kuwait, Kyrgyzstan, Qatar, and Uzbekistan. Johnson estimates that an honest count would be closer to 1,000.

    The number of countries that the United States has a presence in is staggering. According the U.S. Department of State’s list of “Independent States in the World,” there are 192 countries in the world, all of which, except Bhutan, Cuba, Iran, and North Korea, have diplomatic relations with the United States. All of these countries except one (Vatican City) are members of the United Nations. According to the Department of Defense publication, “Active Duty Military Personnel Strengths by Regional Area and by Country,” the United States has troops in 135 countries. Here is the list:

    Afghanistan
    Albania
    Algeria
    Antigua
    Argentina
    Australia
    Austria
    Azerbaijan
    Bahamas
    Bahrain
    Bangladesh
    Barbados
    Belgium
    Belize
    Bolivia
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Botswana
    Brazil
    Bulgaria
    Burma
    Burundi
    Cambodia
    Cameroon
    Canada
    Chad
    Chile
    China
    Colombia
    Congo
    Costa Rica
    Cote D’lvoire
    Cuba
    Cyprus
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Djibouti
    Dominican Republic
    East Timor
    Ecuador
    Egypt
    El Salvador
    Eritrea
    Estonia
    Ethiopia
    Fiji

    Finland
    France
    Georgia
    Germany
    Ghana
    Greece
    Guatemala
    Guinea
    Haiti
    Honduras
    Hungary
    Iceland
    India
    Indonesia
    Iraq
    Ireland
    Israel
    Italy
    Jamaica
    Japan
    Jordan
    Kazakhstan
    Kenya
    Kuwait
    Kyrgyzstan
    Laos
    Latvia
    Lebanon
    Liberia
    Lithuania
    Luxembourg
    Macedonia
    Madagascar
    Malawi
    Malaysia
    Mali
    Malta
    Mexico
    Mongolia
    Morocco
    Mozambique
    Nepal
    Netherlands
    New Zealand
    Nicaragua

    Niger
    Nigeria
    North Korea
    Norway
    Oman
    Pakistan
    Paraguay
    Peru
    Philippines
    Poland
    Portugal
    Qatar
    Romania
    Russia
    Saudi Arabia
    Senegal
    Serbia and Montenegro
    Sierra Leone
    Singapore
    Slovenia
    Spain
    South Africa
    South Korea
    Sri Lanka
    Suriname
    Sweden
    Switzerland
    Syria
    Tanzania
    Thailand
    Togo
    Trinidad and Tobago
    Tunisia
    Turkey
    Turkmenistan
    Uganda
    Ukraine
    United Arab Emirates
    United Kingdom
    Uruguay
    Venezuela
    Vietnam
    Yemen
    Zambia
    Zimbabwe

    This means that the United States has troops in 70 percent of the world’s countries. The average American could probably not locate half of these 135 countries on a map.

    To this list could be added regions like the Indian Ocean territory of Diego Garcia, Gibraltar, and the Atlantic Ocean island of St. Helena, all still controlled by Great Britain, but not considered sovereign countries. Greenland is also home to U.S. troops, but is technically part of Denmark. Troops in two other regions, Kosovo and Hong Kong, might also be included here, but the DOD’s “Personnel Strengths” document includes U.S. troops in Kosovo under Serbia and U.S. troops in Hong Kong under China.

    Possessions of the United States like Guam, Johnston Atoll, Puerto Rico, the Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, and the Virgin Islands are likewise home to U.S. troops. Guam has over 3,200.

    Regular troop strength ranges from a low of 1 in Malawi to a high of 74,796 in Germany. At the time the most recent “Personnel Strengths” was released by the government (September 30, 2003), there were 183,002 troops deployed to Iraq, an unspecified number of which came from U.S. forces in Germany and Italy. The total number of troops deployed abroad as of that date was 252,764, not including U.S. troops in Iraq from the United States. Total military personnel on September 30, 2003, was 1,434,377. This means that 17.6 percent of U.S. military forces were deployed on foreign soil, and certainly over 25 percent if U.S. troops in Iraq from the United States were included. But regardless of how many troops we have in each country, having troops in 135 countries is 135 countries too many.

    The U. S. global empire — an empire that Alexander the Great, Caesar Augustus, Genghis Khan, Suleiman the Magnificent, Justinian, and King George V would be proud of.
  7. 28 Feb '15 16:31
    Come on progressives, just another 30% of the world and it is all your!

    No time to be regressive here, finish the job!
  8. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    28 Feb '15 16:40
    Originally posted by whodey
    We all like to think that our government is better than others, that we are morally superior, yet we often fail to critically think about these things.

    Naturally, the horrific nature of the Holocaust tends to stand in the way. How on earth can any government be so evil?

    Genocide

    I guess it depends on ones perspective. If abortion is murder, as many ...[text shortened]... as to alert the average German to the spending problem. We see this in American politics today.
  9. 28 Feb '15 16:43
    Originally posted by bill718
    Don't you want a new world order bill?

    Come on, just a few more tyrants need to be overthrown. We all know Assad will probably be the next to go.
  10. 28 Feb '15 16:45
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/2004/03/laurence-m-vance/the-us-has-troops-in-135-countries/

    There is a new empire in town, and its global presence is increasing every day.

    The kingdom of Alexander the Great reached all the way to the borders of India. The Roman Empire controlled the Celtic regions of Northern Europe and all of the Hellenized states that bor ...[text shortened]... ugustus, Genghis Khan, Suleiman the Magnificent, Justinian, and King George V would be proud of.
    As I pointed out, and what you keep ignoring, is that the "military presence" you claim to be so ominous in almost all of the countries listed is between 5 and 10 people on embassy duty or some sort of military attache.
    You are being dishonest claiming the US is occupying 70% of the countries in the world.

    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.military.troops/
  11. 28 Feb '15 16:54
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    As I pointed out, and what you keep ignoring, is that the "military presence" you claim to be so ominous in almost all of the countries listed is between 5 and 10 people on embassy duty or some sort of military attache.
    You are being dishonest claiming the US is occupying 70% of the countries in the world.

    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.military.troops/
    The total number of troops deployed abroad as of that date was 252,764, not including U.S. troops in Iraq from the United States. Total military personnel on September 30, 2003, was 1,434,377. This means that 17.6 percent of U.S. military forces were deployed on foreign soil, and certainly over 25 percent if U.S. troops in Iraq from the United States were included.

    The only place to place large numbers of troops are in areas where people are fighting you.

    Why place a large number of troops in Canada, for example?
  12. 28 Feb '15 17:01
    Originally posted by whodey
    The total number of troops deployed abroad as of that date was 252,764, not including U.S. troops in Iraq from the United States. Total military personnel on September 30, 2003, was 1,434,377. This means that 17.6 percent of U.S. military forces were deployed on foreign soil, and certainly over 25 percent if U.S. troops in Iraq from the United States were inc ...[text shortened]... eas where people are fighting you.

    Why place a large number of troops in Canada, for example?
    Moving the goal posts again after your original claim falls apart.
  13. 28 Feb '15 17:08
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Moving the goal posts again after your original claim falls apart.
    You do realize that the US will continue this conquest don't you?

    Will it be Assad, or ISIS that goes first, that is the only question.

    I have not moved any goal posts. The US has a military presence in all these countries, it is you who claim to know the number of each and also to claim that it makes that much difference.
  14. 28 Feb '15 17:50
    Originally posted by whodey
    You do realize that the US will continue this conquest don't you?

    Will it be Assad, or ISIS that goes first, that is the only question.

    I have not moved any goal posts. The US has a military presence in all these countries, it is you who claim to know the number of each and also to claim that it makes that much difference.
    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.military.troops/

    Estonia....
    1 Army
    2 Navy
    4 Marine gate guards

    Wow....let the conquest begin.

    I could go on, the list is of 135 countries with a dozen or less military
    embassy staff.
    I'm sure all those countries are shaking in their boots at the US military presence.

    We're done with you. Whine to someone else about America's "military presence" of 5 or 6 people in all those countries. .
  15. 28 Feb '15 17:52
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/04/us/table.military.troops/

    Estonia....
    1 Army
    2 Navy
    4 Marine gate guards

    Wow....let the conquest begin.

    I could go on, the list is of 135 countries with a dozen or less military
    embassy staff.
    I'm sure all those countries are shaking in their boots at the US military presence.

    We're done with you ...[text shortened]... e to someone else about America's "military presence" of 5 or 6 people in all those countries. .
    Who do you reckon will lead the next Middle East military charge?

    Hillary, Jeb, or another?