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  1. Subscriberno1marauder
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    25 Dec '16 14:221 edit
    In full:

    The Security Council,
    Reaffirming its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 446 (1979), 452 (1979), 465 (1980), 476 (1980), 478 (1980), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003), and 1850 (2008),
    Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and reaffirming, inter alia, the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,
    Reaffirming the obligation of Israel, the occupying Power, to abide scrupulously by its legal obligations and responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, and recalling the advisory opinion rendered on 9 July 2004 by the International Court of Justice,

    Condemning all measures aimed at altering the demographic composition, character and status of the Palestinian Territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, including, inter alia, the construction and expansion of settlements, transfer of Israeli settlers, confiscation of land, demolition of homes and displacement of Palestinian civilians, in violation of international humanitarian law and relevant resolutions,
    Expressing grave concern that continuing Israeli settlement activities are dangerously imperilling the viability of the two-State solution based on the 1967 lines,
    Recalling the obligation under the Quartet Roadmap, endorsed by its resolution 1515 (2003), for a freeze by Israel of all settlement activity, including “natural growth”, and the dismantlement of all settlement outposts erected since March 2001,
    Recalling also the obligation under the Quartet roadmap for the Palestinian Authority Security Forces to maintain effective operations aimed at confronting all those engaged in terror and dismantling terrorist capabilities, including the confiscation of illegal weapons,
    Condemning all acts of violence against civilians, including acts of terror, as well as all acts of provocation, incitement and destruction,
    Reiterating its vision of a region where two democratic States, Israel and Palestine, live side by side in peace within secure and recognized borders,
    Stressing that the status quo is not sustainable and that significant steps, consistent with the transition contemplated by prior agreements, are urgently needed in order to (i) stabilize the situation and to reverse negative trends on the ground, which are steadily eroding the two-State solution and entrenching a one-State reality, and (ii) to create the conditions for successful final status negotiations and for advancing the two-State solution through those negotiations and on the ground,
    1. Reaffirms that the establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, has no legal validity and constitutes a flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the achievement of the two-State solution and a just, lasting and comprehensive peace;
    2. Reiterates its demand that Israel immediately and completely cease all settlement activities in the occupied Palestinian territory, including East Jerusalem, and that it fully respect all of its legal obligations in this regard;
    3. Underlines that it will not recognize any changes to the 4 June 1967 lines, including with regard to Jerusalem, other than those agreed by the parties through negotiations;
    4. Stresses that the cessation of all Israeli settlement activities is essential for salvaging the two-State solution, and calls for affirmative steps to be taken immediately to reverse the negative trends on the ground that are imperilling the two-State solution;
    5. Calls upon all States, bearing in mind paragraph 1 of this resolution, to distinguish, in their relevant dealings, between the territory of the State of Israel and the territories occupied since 1967;
    6. Calls for immediate steps to prevent all acts of violence against civilians, including acts of terror, as well as all acts of provocation and destruction, calls for accountability in this regard, and calls for compliance with obligations under international law for the strengthening of ongoing efforts to combat terrorism, including through existing security coordination, and to clearly condemn all acts of terrorism;
    7. Calls upon both parties to act on the basis of international law, including international humanitarian law, and their previous agreements and obligations, to observe calm and restraint, and to refrain from provocative actions, incitement and inflammatory rhetoric, with the aim, inter alia, of de-escalating the situation on the ground, rebuilding trust and confidence, demonstrating through policies and actions a genuine commitment to the two-State solution, and creating the conditions necessary for promoting peace;
    8. Calls upon all parties to continue, in the interest of the promotion of peace and security, to exert collective efforts to launch credible negotiations on all final status issues in the Middle East peace process and within the time frame specified by the Quartet in its statement of 21 September 2010;
    9. Urges in this regard the intensification and acceleration of international and regional diplomatic efforts and support aimed at achieving, without delay a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East on the basis of the relevant United Nations resolutions, the Madrid terms of reference, including the principle of land for peace, the Arab Peace Initiative and the Quartet Roadmap and an end to the Israeli occupation that began in 1967; and underscores in this regard the importance of the ongoing efforts to advance the Arab Peace Initiative, the initiative of France for the convening of an international peace conference, the recent efforts of the Quartet, as well as the efforts of Egypt and the Russian Federation;
    10. Confirms its determination to support the parties throughout the negotiations and in the implementation of an agreement;
    11. Reaffirms its determination to examine practical ways and means to secure the full implementation of its relevant resolutions;
    12. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the Council every three months on the implementation of the provisions of the present resolution;
    13. Decides to remain seized of the matter.
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    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.761030
  2. Subscriberno1marauder
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    25 Dec '16 14:26
    The usual suspects are screaming at the Obama administration for not using its Security Council veto to defeat the resolution (the US alone abstained; the resolution passed 14-0), but as the resolution mentions it is consistent with prior SC resolutions and established principles of international law. There's some additional commentary in Haaretz (a "liberal" Israeli newspaper) here: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.761049
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    So in other words, tnhe Muslim Obama got in a screw you Israel, alu akbar.

    That was a real surprise.

    We'll see if it gets Trumped
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    25 Dec '16 14:311 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    So in other words, tnhe Muslim Obama got in a screw you Israel, alu akbar.

    That was a real surprise.

    We'll see if it gets Trumped
    One nutjob heard from. The "Muslim Obama" just gave Israel its biggest military aid package in history:

    The US has traditionally served as Israel’s diplomatic shield, protecting it from resolutions that Israel opposes. It is Israel’s most important ally, providing it with more than $3bn each year in defence aid. That number will soon rise to $3.8bn per year under a new decade-long pact – the biggest pledge of US military aid in history.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/israel-summons-ambassadors-un-resolution-benjamin-netanyahu

    Others?
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    25 Dec '16 14:44
    Seems to me like a warning from the Obama administration that Israel needs to get real with the two-state solution and not get too cozy with the Trump administration as regimes that associate themselves with Trump will go down poorly in history. Short-term the resolution will amount to nothing as the Netanyahu administration will ignore it and Trump appointed a pro-conflict ambassador to Israel.
  6. Subscriberno1marauder
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    25 Dec '16 14:48
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Seems to me like a warning from the Obama administration that Israel needs to get real with the two-state solution and not get too cozy with the Trump administration as regimes that associate themselves with Trump will go down poorly in history. Short-term the resolution will amount to nothing as the Netanyahu administration will ignore it and Trump appointed a pro-conflict ambassador to Israel.
    Netanyahu isn't ignoring it; he's lashing back at the SC members who voted in favor of the resolution. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/israel-summons-ambassadors-un-resolution-benjamin-netanyahu

    This seems likely to be counterproductive, at least on the international level.
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    25 Dec '16 14:52
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    One nutjob heard from. The "Muslim Obama" just gave Israel its biggest military aid package in history:

    The US has traditionally served as Israel’s diplomatic shield, protecting it from resolutions that Israel opposes. It is Israel’s most important ally, providing it with more than $3bn each year in defence aid. That number will soon rise to $3.8bn pe ...[text shortened]... ian.com/world/2016/dec/25/israel-summons-ambassadors-un-resolution-benjamin-netanyahu

    Others?
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/15/big-us-military-aid-package-to-israel-has-strings-attached.html

    That deal is smoke and mirrors. Roll in missile defense and of course the price goes up. Make ut so no money can be pumped into Israei economy. Can't ask for more aid.

    Rral pro Israeli agreement. Looks like another alu akbar ro me
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    25 Dec '16 15:00
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Netanyahu isn't ignoring it; he's lashing back at the SC members who voted in favor of the resolution. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/israel-summons-ambassadors-un-resolution-benjamin-netanyahu

    This seems likely to be counterproductive, at least on the international level.
    Yes, I was aware the Netanyahu administration responded angrily - I meant "ignoring it" as in not ceasing settlement activity etc.
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    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/15/big-us-military-aid-package-to-israel-has-strings-attached.html

    That deal is smoke and mirrors. Roll in missile defense and of course the price goes up. Make ut so no money can be pumped into Israei economy. Can't ask for more aid.

    Rral pro Israeli agreement. Looks like another alu akbar ro me
    Some provisions which were uniquely favorable to the Israeli defense industry were scrapped:

    Moreover, our decision with Israel to discontinue two anomalies in the defense relationship that no longer serve our mutual interests - Off Shore Procurement (the arrangement under the current MOU through which Israel has been uniquely permitted to spend 26.3 percent of its annual FMF package within Israel on non-U.S. products) and Israel’s use of FMF funds to purchase fuel – means that Israel will spend more funding, as much as $1.2 billion per year, on the advanced military capabilities that only the United States can provide. The acquisition of additional U.S.-produced capabilities and technology provide the best means to ensure Israel preserves its Qualitative Military Edge (QME).

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2016/09/14/fact-sheet-memorandum-understanding-reached-israel

    So what? Why should American taxpayers subsidize the Israeli war industry?
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    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Some provisions which were uniquely favorable to the Israeli defense industry were scrapped:

    Moreover, our decision with Israel to discontinue two anomalies in the defense relationship that no longer serve our mutual interests - Off Shore Procurement (the arrangement under the current MOU through which Israel has been uniquely permitted to spend 26.3 ...[text shortened]... ing-reached-israel

    So what? Why should American taxpayers subsidize the Israeli war industry?
    Of couse the US should subsidize Israel, including its milatary industrial complex.

    The rest of the world hates Israel. If we want Democracy in the Middle East, Israel is the best hope.

    It was our job to veto the UN resolution.
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    25 Dec '16 15:19
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Of couse the US should subsidize Israel, including its milatary industrial complex.

    The rest of the world hates Israel. If we want Democracy in the Middle East, Israel is the best hope.

    It was our job to veto the UN resolution.
    I hope you are being ironic and/or sarcastic.

    An Israel that continues to occupy the West Bank and refuses to grant the People there all the rights of any Israeli is not a "democracy".
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    25 Dec '16 15:29
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/09/15/big-us-military-aid-package-to-israel-has-strings-attached.html

    That deal is smoke and mirrors. Roll in missile defense and of course the price goes up. Make ut so no money can be pumped into Israei economy. Can't ask for more aid.

    Rral pro Israeli agreement. Looks like another alu akbar ro me
    what the hell is alu akbar? if you're going to be a moron, at least get the term right.


    the rest is just your usual drivel i see no point dismantling it.
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    Originally posted by no1marauder
    In full:

    The Security Council,
    Reaffirming its relevant resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967), 338 (1973), 446 (1979), 452 (1979), 465 (1980), 476 (1980), 478 (1980), 1397 (2002), 1515 (2003), and 1850 (2008),
    Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and reaffirming, inter alia, the inadmissibility of the a ...[text shortened]... ides to remain seized of the matter.
    read more:

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.761030
    This is Obama giving Netanyahu the finger on his way out the door. Obama didn't want to do anything that would really change anything and if this vote were taken a few years ago, The US would have vetoed it. But as a lame duck, he had one last chance to smack Netanyahu around, and so he took it.

    Can't say I blame him. Netanyahu has certainly smacked him around enough.

    I do find it interesting that J Street praised the resolution. There are definitely two sides to the American Jewish community's outlook on what to do with regards to Israel.

    As I've said a million times, a real two-state solution with territorial integrity for Palestine is probably the only way to real long term peace. These intermediate condemnations of Israel that ignore the appalling provocation Israel is regularly subjected to (the "arson Intifada" was all but ignored in the west, for example) probably don't help much. Probably only the US has the gravitas to force the parties to the table and I'm sure Obama tried, but (like those before him) couldn't close the deal.

    I'm sure this one felt good for Obama, though.
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    25 Dec '16 16:24
    Originally posted by sh76
    This is Obama giving Netanyahu the finger on his way out the door. Obama didn't want to do anything that would really change anything and if this vote were taken a few years ago, The US would have vetoed it. But as a lame duck, he had one last chance to smack Netanyahu around, and so he took it.

    Can't say I blame him. Netanyahu has certainly smacked him arou ...[text shortened]... ike those before him) couldn't close the deal.

    I'm sure this one felt good for Obama, though.
    Of course, it would have been vetoed 2 years ago; it would have been considered political suicide not to do so. Predictably, Congressional Democrats have fallen all over themselves to criticize the abstention.http://www.businessinsider.com/un-israel-vote-obama-democrats-2016-12

    That Obama finally got around to doing something half-right (a "yes" vote would have been better as nothing in the resolution is contrary to long standing US policy) is nice though. What the ultimate consequences will be is unknown; Netanyahu has no interest in an actual two State solution and until Israeli voters turn him and similarly minded individuals out of power there is no chance for a comprehensive peace deal.
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    25 Dec '16 17:43
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Of couse the US should subsidize Israel, including its milatary industrial complex.

    The rest of the world hates Israel. If we want Democracy in the Middle East, Israel is the best hope.

    It was our job to veto the UN resolution.
    Odd how the Palestinians in the occupied territories didn't vote against Netanyahu. None of them even turned up to vote.
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