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    Was listening to a piece by Lawrence O'Donnell titled ' The Senate is an unfixable crime against Democracy'

    If you needed any proof of this, the recent Senate confirmation of Kavanaugh is surely evidence enough of the deeply undemocratic nature of America's political system.

    The mere fact that each state regardless of size or population sends 2 senators to Congress demonstrates the inherent obstacle for the US senate to be a truly democratic representative institution to represent and reflect the will of the people.

    Listen and comment.
    YouTube : Lawrence
    The first few minutes deal with Kavanaugh's nomination but it's the body of the report which gives a potted history of voting rights in America which I found most illuminating.
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    @kmax87 said
    Was listening to a piece by Lawrence O'Donnell titled ' The Senate is an unfixable crime against Democracy'

    If you needed any proof of this, the recent Senate confirmation of Kavanaugh is surely evidence enough of the deeply undemocratic nature of America's political system.

    The mere fact that each state regardless of size or population sends 2 senators to Congress dem ...[text shortened]... the report which gives a potted history of voting rights in America which I found most illuminating.
    ummm...The US is a representative republic. No mob rule here.
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    07 Oct '18 13:07
    @mott-the-hoople said
    ummm...The US is a representative republic. No mob rule here.
    What kind of "mob rule" do you imagine will ensue if someone from Texas gets as much representation as someone from Delaware?
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    07 Oct '18 13:18
    @kmax87 said
    Was listening to a piece by Lawrence O'Donnell titled ' The Senate is an unfixable crime against Democracy'

    If you needed any proof of this, the recent Senate confirmation of Kavanaugh is surely evidence enough of the deeply undemocratic nature of America's political system.

    The mere fact that each state regardless of size or population sends 2 senators to Congress dem ...[text shortened]... the report which gives a potted history of voting rights in America which I found most illuminating.
    This isn't a compelling argument since the House of Reps exists to give representation based on population. The Senate exists because it was considered unfair that any state should have more or less say in Congress simply because of population. The two Houses of Congress make representation of states fair, by consideration population while also letting states have an equal voice.
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    @vivify said
    This isn't a compelling argument since the House of Reps exists to give representation based on population. The Senate exists because it was considered unfair that any state should have more or less say in Congress simply because of population. The two Houses of Congress make representation of states fair, by consideration population while also letting states have an equal voice.
    How is it "fair" if someone from Texas gets less representation than someone from Delaware?
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    @kazetnagorra said
    How is it "fair" if someone from Texas gets less representation than someone from Delaware?
    I don't know what you mean, since Texans get more representation in the House.
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    ummm...The US is a representative republic. No mob rule here.
    What are you talking about? What we have now is mob rule, the mob being the oligarchs.
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    @kazetnagorra said
    What kind of "mob rule" do you imagine will ensue if someone from Texas gets as much representation as someone from Delaware?
    LOL...you don't have a clue. Del has 1 rep...Texas has 36.
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    @suzianne said
    What are you talking about? What we have now is mob rule, the mob being the oligarchs.
    LOL
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    @kazetnagorra said
    How is it "fair" if someone from Texas gets less representation than someone from Delaware?
    And how, exactly, is it "less representation"?

    Each person in this country votes for a total of three representatives: 2 Senators from their state and 1 House Representative from their district. Someone in Delaware has exactly the same number of people representing them as someone from Texas.
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    LOL...you don't have a clue. Del has 1 rep...Texas has 36.
    Each Representative only represents their district.

    And yes, it's based on population.
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    @suzianne said
    And how, exactly, is it "less representation"?

    Each person in this country votes for a total of three representatives: 2 Senators from their state and 1 House Representative from their district. Someone in Delaware has exactly the same number of people representing them as someone from Texas.
    That's the reason dems want illegals to pour in...up the number of dem voters.
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    @vivify said
    I don't know what you mean, since Texans get more representation in the House.
    A Texan gets slightly more representation in the House than a Delawarean, and a significantly smaller say when it comes to the Senate, the presidency and indirectly elected legislative bodies like the Supreme Court.

    Why is this situation "fair"? Wouldn't it be "fair" if Texans and Delawareans had an equal say?

    Edit: corrected rounding error.
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    @kazetnagorra said
    A Texan gets slightly less representation in the House than a Delawarean, and a significantly smaller say when it comes to the Senate, the presidency and indirectly elected legislative bodies like the Supreme Court.

    Why is this situation "fair"? Wouldn't it be "fair" if Texans and Delawareans had an equal say?
    People from Texas and people from Delaware DO have an equal say.

    What makes you think Texans get less representation?
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    That's the reason dems want illegals to pour in...up the number of dem voters.
    You assume far too much.
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