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  1. 19 Jan '17 12:52
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-2unCXNXNI

    It's not like this stuff is as important as guns or mexican walls or Trump's (alleged) golden showers
  2. 19 Jan '17 12:57
    Funny excerpt from the video:
    "Republicans forget that health care was awful BEFORE Obamacare. Sure Obamacare is bad, but it's objectively better than before. Obamacare is like the fireman who saved you from a burning building and banged your head on a door frame on the way out. Sure you now have a head ache, but at least you're not on %#&@ing fire."
  3. 19 Jan '17 13:04
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    Funny excerpt from the video:
    "Republicans forget that health care was awful BEFORE Obamacare. Sure Obamacare is bad, but it's objectively better than before. Obamacare is like the fireman who saved you from a burning building and banged your head on a door frame on the way out. Sure you now have a head ache, but at least you're not on %#&@ing fire."
    If the video says healthcare was better before Obamacare then it must be true. The fact that the Democrats do not have a majority in the House or Senate and just lost the presidency might be an indication that people are not as happy with Obama's signature program as you believe.
  4. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    19 Jan '17 13:18
    Originally posted by quackquack
    If the video says healthcare was better before Obamacare then it must be true. The fact that the Democrats do not have a majority in the House or Senate and just lost the presidency might be an indication that people are not as happy with Obama's signature program as you believe.
    What is telling is that we STILL haven't seen anything from the Republicans about a replacement.

    All the Republicans seem to be actually able to do about it is bitch, bitch, bitch.

    Well, you're in the driver seat now. This is where the rubber meets the road.

    Try doing something, ANYthing, except just bitching.
  5. 19 Jan '17 13:25
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    What is telling is that we STILL haven't seen anything from the Republicans about a replacement.

    All the Republicans seem to be actually able to do about it is bitch, bitch, bitch.

    Well, you're in the driver seat now. This is where the rubber meets the road.

    Try doing something, ANYthing, except just bitching.
    Who exactly do you think is bitching? This thread wasn't started to support Republicans.
  6. 19 Jan '17 14:07
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-2unCXNXNI

    It's not like this stuff is as important as guns or mexican walls or Trump's (alleged) golden showers
    I heard Pence say, "If you like your Obamacare and want to keep your Obamacare, then you can"

    I about had milk come out my nose when I heard that.

    Hilarious.
  7. 19 Jan '17 17:27 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by quackquack
    If the video says healthcare was better before Obamacare then it must be true. The fact that the Democrats do not have a majority in the House or Senate and just lost the presidency might be an indication that people are not as happy with Obama's signature program as you believe.
    let's see, millions uninsured before ACA, millions insured after with some having to pay more for their health care though not as much as they would have had to pay without ACA being enacted.

    ACA made things objectively better. it's still a flawed plan of course, but why fix it or even replace it with something better. it's much better to just kill it now and the millions of people who will lose their lives can just go to hell. The republicans had 8 years of coming up with something better yet nobody has heard anything about this wonder plan.

    "Obama's signature program"
    it wasn't obama's signature program. it's what was left of obama's signature program after the republicans took it out in the back and hacked it to pieces.
  8. 19 Jan '17 17:34
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    let's see, millions uninsured before ACA, millions insured after with some having to pay more for their health care though not as much as they would have had to pay without ACA being enacted.

    ACA made things objectively better. it's still a flawed plan of course, but why fix it or even replace it with something better. it's much better to just kill i ...[text shortened]... obama's signature program after the republicans took it out in the back and hacked it to pieces.
    The ACA is simply a crappy welfare program. It's driven out competition, it's allowed insurance companies to reject doctor's recommendation at increasing rates and rates for those who pay continue to increase at crazy rates. It prevents people from obtaining insurance that they believe met their needs. It objectively stinks.
  9. 19 Jan '17 17:55
    Originally posted by quackquack
    The ACA is simply a crappy welfare program. It's driven out competition, it's allowed insurance companies to reject doctor's recommendation at increasing rates and rates for those who pay continue to increase at crazy rates. It prevents people from obtaining insurance that they believe met their needs. It objectively stinks.
    But the poor have insurance! Sure it may come with a 10k deductible, but the poor can pay the first 10k.

    Obamacare is a joke. If you can't afford the premiums or you can't pay the deductible, then it is no insurance at all.
  10. 20 Jan '17 01:06
    Originally posted by quackquack
    The ACA is simply a crappy welfare program. It's driven out competition, it's allowed insurance companies to reject doctor's recommendation at increasing rates and rates for those who pay continue to increase at crazy rates. It prevents people from obtaining insurance that they believe met their needs. It objectively stinks.
    "The ACA is simply a crappy welfare program"


    "rates for those who pay continue to increase at crazy rates"
    except much slower than before ACA

    " It prevents people from obtaining insurance that they believe met their needs."
    yes it prevents some people from choosing a certain insurance while it enables other people to have some insurance rather than nothing.

    "It objectively stinks"
    it does stink. yet i didn't say that it's good, i said it is objectively better than what you had before (better said, what you didn't have before)


    all you said are fixable problems. there is plenty wrong with ACA but the fact remains, people are alive today because of it. millions of people got insurance where they didn't have any before.

    all those millions will be left without an insurance because the republicans have nothing to replace the ACA with. they had 8 years and all they could come up with are those idiotic vouchers.
    repealing ACA will come with huge tax breaks for the rich.
    repealing ACA will cost millions of taxpayer's dollars, millions that again will have to be picked up by regular americans.


    you think you are paying a lot now for health care? you will pay more in the future and there will be nothing stopping the insurance companies to gouge up the prices.
    you don't negotiate for better prices, you don't allow drug importing. Who cares about that though, you will be comforted to be moving closer to some meaningless randian drivel.
  11. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    20 Jan '17 07:49
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    What is telling is that we STILL haven't seen anything from the Republicans about a replacement.

    All the Republicans seem to be actually able to do about it is bitch, bitch, bitch.

    Well, you're in the driver seat now. This is where the rubber meets the road.

    Try doing something, ANYthing, except just bitching.
    What is telling is that we STILL haven't seen anything from the Republicans about a replacement.


    Yes indeed. The GOP has been hating Obamacare for years now, but when pressed to come up with a plan of their own, they become very quiet. Now they'll have to stand and deliver, and it's looking like the GOP is all talk and no action,
  12. 20 Jan '17 10:24
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6m7pWEMPlA

    "Which one do you support, Obamacare or the Affordable Care Act?"
  13. 20 Jan '17 13:38
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    let's see, millions uninsured before ACA, millions insured after with some having to pay more for their health care though not as much as they would have had to pay without ACA being enacted.

    ACA made things objectively better. it's still a flawed plan of course, but why fix it or even replace it with something better. it's much better to just kill i ...[text shortened]... obama's signature program after the republicans took it out in the back and hacked it to pieces.
    Actually, if the ACA didn't objectively suck Clinton would be president. But it does stink and thus we have Trump.
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    20 Jan '17 15:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by quackquack
    The ACA is simply a crappy welfare program. It's driven out competition, it's allowed insurance companies to reject doctor's recommendation at increasing rates and rates for those who pay continue to increase at crazy rates. It prevents people from obtaining insurance that they believe met their needs. It objectively stinks.
    If it's so "crappy" why are the people who receive the ACA insurance so satisfied?:

    A majority of Americans give good reviews for insurance they recently acquired through government exchanges within the past year, a new poll shows.

    With the second round of Obamacare enrollment set to begin on Saturday, 71 percent said their coverage through the exchanges was good or excellent, according to a Gallup poll released Friday. Another 19 percent said the coverage was fair, while 9 percent rated it poorly.

    The pollster notes that these marks are comparable to all who have health insurance. However, those newly insured through the exchanges are more satisfied with the cost of health care — with 75 percent saying so — versus 61 percent of all insured respondents who said they were satisfied with the cost of health care.

    A majority — 68 percent — who received insurance through the exchanges said they plan to renew their policy, while an additional 7 percent said they will look for a new policy, but through the exchanges.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/obamacare-health-exchanges-coverage-112892

    Here's another survey saying the same thing:

    In each of the three years since the ACA’s major coverage expansions, majorities of marketplace and new Medicaid enrollees have reported that they are satisfied with their new health insurance overall. In 2016, 77 percent of adults with marketplace plans and 88 percent of those newly enrolled in Medicaid were very or somewhat satisfied with their health insurance (Exhibit 6). And when asked to rate their insurance, 66 percent of marketplace enrollees and 77 percent of new Medicaid enrollees said their coverage was good, very good, or excellent (Exhibit 7).

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2016/may/ACA-tracking-survey-access-to-care-and-satisfaction
  15. 20 Jan '17 15:40
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Actually, if the ACA didn't objectively suck Clinton would be president. But it does stink and thus we have Trump.
    pff, you are so ignorant it is almost painful to read your posts.

    a dozen reasons contributed to her not being elected, the ACA being the least of them.

    stupid election system and the stupid americans living in the right stupid states
    stupid fbi director
    stupid clinton being too lazy to change her damn email address.
    stupid democrats backing clinton and screwing sanders despite clear evidence that sanders would obliterate trump
    non-stupid russian hackers


    all these reasons and she still had almost 3 million more votes.
    you can't apply that idiotic electoral system to every argument. more people voted for clinton than for trump, therefore by your stupid logic, more people support ACA.