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    25 Jun '17 11:54
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    Officers stormed a flat in Enfield, north London, after hearing reports of a man with a gun threatening to shoot someone.

    James Fox, 43 was killed after armed police entered the flat on Sunday, making him the first person killed by police in the UK this year.

    This is compared to the 776 people who have been killed by police in the USA so far this year.


    Since 2013, US police killed 575 people wielding knifes.
    Since 2013, UK police killed 1. Not 1 hundred. 1.


    The video will show UK police dealing with a terrorist wielding a knife and US police dealing with a bank robber wielding a knife.
    There are about a dozen american cops surrounding that bank robber, with handguns and assault rifles. He doesn't have any clothes from the waist up (so you can't claim he could have had a gun stashed on him). He takes one step and he is shot.

    A black teenager with a knife is shot 16!! times.
    A homeless man, surrounded by cops, again shot several times while he was nowhere near anyone.

    Example after example of bad police training. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
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    25 Jun '17 12:364 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0f_nFKVoyQ

    Officers stormed a flat in Enfield, north London, after hearing reports of a man with a gun threatening to shoot someone.

    James Fox, 43 was killed after armed police entered the flat on Sunday, making him the first person killed by police in the UK this year.

    This is compared to the 776 people who have be ...[text shortened]...

    Example after example of bad police training. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
    Oh Jeeze, that poor bank robber... :'(
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    25 Jun '17 13:14
    Originally posted by joe shmo
    Oh Jeeze, that poor bank robber... :'(
    yes, ashole, that poor bank robber that got the death penalty without a trial for taking a step
  4. Subscriberjoe shmo
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    25 Jun '17 13:321 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    yes, ashole, that poor bank robber that got the death penalty without a trial for taking a step
    Lets assume one of those cops was your father or mother or yourself. Depending on proximity, allowing that one step could result in their death or a hostage situation. You choose to die or alllow innocents to die because an armed criminal decided to break federal law and rob a bank?

    I ( and a large portion of other Americans) say the gene pool is just a smidge cleaner than it was before the summary execution occured. Something you will undoubtedly never fully comprehend, so it would behoove you to just stay out of the states.
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    25 Jun '17 14:03
    Originally posted by joe shmo
    Lets assume one of those cops was your father or mother or yourself. Depending on proximity, allowing that one step could result in their death or a hostage situation. You choose to die or alllow innocents to die because an armed criminal decided to break federal law and rob a bank?

    I ( and a large portion of other Americans) say the gene pool is just ...[text shortened]... will undoubtedly never fully comprehend, so it would behoove you to just stay out of the states.
    let's not.

    my father or mother or myself didn't take the responsibility to "serve and protect". they did. they are supposed to get training, to serve and protect, and only use force as a last resort. if they aren't capable of serving and protecting, they should get another job.

    "Depending on proximity, allowing that one step could result in their death or a hostage situation."
    and in that situation, the one you most likely didn't bother to watch, there was no hostage and no way a half naked man wielding a knife could have killed any of the dozen policemen having their guns trained on him.

    "You choose to die or alllow innocents to die because an armed criminal decided to break federal law and rob a bank?"
    that's the problem, isn't it. there is no middle ground? they have no training to deal with the situations where the criminal isn't a motionless manequin? one step and he is dead? one twitch and he is dead?


    "I ( and a large portion of other Americans) say the gene pool is just a smidge cleaner than it was before the summary execution occured"
    oh, i wished i read this sentence before had written the other remarks. There would have been no need to bother.
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    25 Jun '17 15:17
    Originally posted by joe shmo
    Lets assume one of those cops was your father or mother or yourself. Depending on proximity, allowing that one step could result in their death or a hostage situation. You choose to die or alllow innocents to die because an armed criminal decided to break federal law and rob a bank?

    I ( and a large portion of other Americans) say the gene pool is just ...[text shortened]... will undoubtedly never fully comprehend, so it would behoove you to just stay out of the states.
    +1000
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    25 Jun '17 19:33
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0f_nFKVoyQ

    Officers stormed a flat in Enfield, north London, after hearing reports of a man with a gun threatening to shoot someone.

    James Fox, 43 was killed after armed police entered the flat on Sunday, making him the first person killed by police in the UK this year.

    This is compared to the 776 people who have be ...[text shortened]...

    Example after example of bad police training. The first step is admitting you have a problem.
    I wish we had some US police down here in Trinidad. 500 violent murders every year in a pop of 1.3 M.
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    26 Jun '17 09:07
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I wish we had some US police down here in Trinidad. 500 violent murders every year in a pop of 1.3 M.
    well, done. so much stupid condensed in such a small post.

    Us police don't stop murders, they kill unarmed civilians at the slightest perceived threat.
    Your murder rate would be the same, with more people dying from police fatal shooting.

    The crime rate in the US is atrocious, why wouldn't you like German police in Trinidad, or British, or whatever else police from a country with less crime? You could argue those police forces actually do their jobs.

    Why would you compare Trinidad, a third world country with the US, the richest country in the first world?
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    Cop was fired for NOT shooting someone.

    This is another example of how horrible the system is. You train your cops to shoot at the slightest provocation. More than that, at the slightest anything that you consider to be threatening.

    This is a cop who got called by the victim's sister to help him because he had a gun and she was worried he was going to hurt himself. The cop analyzed the situation, saw the gun was not pointed at anyone, talked with the man in question that made him realized he is trying to commit suicide by cop and took a chance, in order to save a life.
    This cop is a hero. Not the other cop that was on the scene who executed the man in the back of his neck.

    How was the hero treated? He was fired for endangering the lives of his fellow officers.



    Nobody is claiming the job of a police officer is risk free, They risk their lives every day, to serve and protect. That's why cowards shouldn't be police officers. That's why you don't shoot anyone not behaving like a motionless manequin just so you can remove any risk because you took an oath to value life.

    If we applied this flawed system to other professions, doctors and nurses would kill any patient showing the slightest sign of ebola instead of trying to treat them, while taking necessary precautions. If they didn't think the risk is acceptable, they would be free to go treat flu patients or resign. You don't allow a doctor to shoot a patient because he started to cough in his direction because it might be ebola and then absolve him of any blame even if the cough turns out to be because of a fly the patient swallowed.

    You don't allow firefighters to demolish a building on fire because it's too much of a risk to go in and look for survivors.

    You don't carpet bomb cities because enemy troops might be hidden in some buildings and it's too much of a risk to take the city street by street. (you shouldn't anyway, but war crimes is reserved for the losing side, not for americans)


    Police officers should be trained to de-escalate a situation. They should only use lethal force at the last possible moment.

    If you can't do that, go be a gardner
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    26 Jun '17 12:38
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    well, done. so much stupid condensed in such a small post.

    Us police don't stop murders, they kill unarmed civilians at the slightest perceived threat.
    Your murder rate would be the same, with more people dying from police fatal shooting.

    The crime rate in the US is atrocious, why wouldn't you like German police in Trinidad, or British, or whatever ...[text shortened]... you compare Trinidad, a third world country with the US, the richest country in the first world?
    German police and British police .. the guys with the batons? LOL 😀
    These gangs and drug lords here have AK 47s and armour piercing ammunition.
    They are a law unto themselves.

    US police would kill out the gangs and druglords .. its a small island half the size of Hawaii.
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    26 Jun '17 13:50
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    I wish we had some US police down here in Trinidad. 500 violent murders every year in a pop of 1.3 M.
    Be careful what you wish for.

    US police have a pretty poor record of "protecting and serving" anyone who is not white.
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    26 Jun '17 14:51
    Originally posted by joe shmo
    Lets assume one of those cops was your father or mother or yourself. Depending on proximity, allowing that one step could result in their death or a hostage situation. You choose to die or alllow innocents to die because an armed criminal decided to break federal law and rob a bank?

    I ( and a large portion of other Americans) say the gene pool is just ...[text shortened]... will undoubtedly never fully comprehend, so it would behoove you to just stay out of the states.
    Any/all suspects might be dangerous. The job of the police is not to execute them all, but to apprehend them so they can be put to trial. Only when there is an obvious and immediate threat to someone should law enforcement use force, and only as a last resort to kill.
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    26 Jun '17 15:41
    Originally posted by joe shmo
    Oh Jeeze, that poor bank robber... :'(
    Does the same sentiment count for the bank managers who robbed you and the taxpayer for millions and millions?
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    26 Jun '17 15:43
    Originally posted by joe shmo
    Lets assume one of those cops was your father or mother or yourself. Depending on proximity, allowing that one step could result in their death or a hostage situation. You choose to die or alllow innocents to die because an armed criminal decided to break federal law and rob a bank?

    I ( and a large portion of other Americans) say the gene pool is just ...[text shortened]... will undoubtedly never fully comprehend, so it would behoove you to just stay out of the states.
    Funnily enough, a large portion of the world population feel the same about dead American soldiers.

    How could it be?
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    26 Jun '17 15:43
    Originally posted by Rajk999
    German police and British police .. the guys with the batons? LOL 😀
    These gangs and drug lords here have AK 47s and armour piercing ammunition.
    They are a law unto themselves.

    US police would kill out the gangs and druglords .. its a small island half the size of Hawaii.
    The German police carry guns.
    What are you on about?
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