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  1. 20 Oct '16 22:27 / 1 edit
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/oct/11/us-united-states-ranks-lower-than-kazahkstan-algeria-gender-equality-international-day-of-the-girl

    "US Ranks Lower than Kazahkstan and Algeria in Gender Equality"

    Out of 144 countries in the Girls' Opportunity Index, the USA's 32nd.
    (Richer countries tended to rank higher than poorer countries.)
    Nordic countries were the best: 1) Sweden 2) Finland 3) Norway.
    African countries were in the lowest 21 rankings.

    Here are some countries with similar rankings to the USA's:
    30) Kazahkstan 31) Algeria 32) United States 33) Tunisia 34) Cuba 35) Japan

    Here are some other countries that may be of interest (China and Russia were not in the survey):
    4) Netherlands
    17) Israel
    27) Republic of Korea (South Korea)
    47) Vietnam
    49) Rwanda
    51) Ukraine
    55) Turkey
    56) Mexico
    70) Iran
    78) Syria
    83) Egypt
    88) Pakistan
    90) India
    94) Iraq
    102) Brazil
    104) Papua New Guinea
    105) Haiti
    121) Afghanistan
    144) Niger
  2. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    20 Oct '16 23:11
    a study from Save the Children... found that the US ranks lower than Kazakhstan and Algeria on gender equality, due to its low representation of women in parliament, high teenage pregnancy rates and and record on maternal deaths.

    A yes. The country so obsessed with the abortion issue - expressed in nonsensical terms of religion and morality - offers disgraceful sexual health education and appalling maternity services. Fancy that. Let's blame the women.
  3. 20 Oct '16 23:58
    I note that Brazil, which is a relatively affluent society famed for its free-wheeling 'sexual
    liberation' in some places such as Rio, ranks only slightly higher than much poorer Haiti.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/gang-rape-reveals-brazils-shocking-atttitudes-toward-women/article30260584/

    "Gang Rape Reveals Brazil's Shocking Attitude Toward Women"
    --Manuela Andreoni (3 June 2016, She's a Brazilian woman.)

    "A nationwide survey from 2013 found that 58.5 percent of Brazilians think that
    'if women knew now to behave, there would be fewer rapes.'"

    "Only 10 percent of Congress members are women--in fact, the first restroom for women
    on the Senate floor was built just five months ago."
  4. 20 Oct '16 23:59
    Originally posted by finnegan
    a study from Save the Children... found that the US ranks lower than Kazakhstan and Algeria on gender equality, due to its low representation of women in parliament, high teenage pregnancy rates and and record on maternal deaths.

    A yes. The country so obsessed with the abortion issue - expressed in nonsensical terms of religion and moralit ...[text shortened]... l sexual health education and appalling maternity services. Fancy that. Let's blame the women.
    I don't believe that the USA's the best model in how we should bring up our daughters.
  5. Standard member vivify
    rain
    21 Oct '16 13:18
    This is a misleading, click-bait article. The Guardian implies that women are being mistreated or deliberately held back in some way. Low representation is simply that-uneven numbers in a given field. There are more female teachers from kindergarten to high school, a field once dominated by men.

    http://time.com/4064665/women-college-degree/

    Women in the U.S. are now more likely to have college degrees; but this report won't get as many clicks as a title that feeds the confirmation bias of anti-American bigots.
  6. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    21 Oct '16 13:30
    Originally posted by vivify
    This is a misleading, click-bait article. The Guardian implies that women are being mistreated or deliberately held back in some way. Low representation is simply that-uneven numbers in a given field. There are more female teachers from kindergarten to high school, a field once dominated by men.

    http://time.com/4064665/women-college-degree/

    Women in ...[text shortened]... rt won't get as many clicks as a title that feeds the confirmation bias of anti-American bigots.
    No the criteria have been set out already but I repeat them for your benefit:

    a study from Save the Children... found that the US ranks lower than Kazakhstan and Algeria on gender equality, due to its low representation of women in parliament, high teenage pregnancy rates and and record on maternal deaths.

    Notice it said the US was (from memory) 32nd, not bottom, so keep this in perspective and you may do okay. It all hangs on how low you wish to set the bar.

    Well done on the kindergarten teachers though. Not all bad.
  7. 21 Oct '16 13:31 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/oct/11/us-united-states-ranks-lower-than-kazahkstan-algeria-gender-equality-international-day-of-the-girl

    "US Ranks Lower than Kazahkstan and Algeria in Gender Equality"

    Out of 144 countries in the Girls' Opportunity Index, the USA's 32nd.
    (Richer countries tended to rank higher than poorer countri ...[text shortened]... 0) India
    94) Iraq
    102) Brazil
    104) Papua New Guinea
    105) Haiti
    121) Afghanistan
    144) Niger
    After Hillary is elected do you reckon the US will ever elect a woman as President?
  8. 21 Oct '16 13:32
    Originally posted by vivify
    Women in the U.S. are now more likely to have college degrees; but this report won't get as many clicks as a title that feeds the confirmation bias of anti-American bigots.
    This is why rankings of these types are ridiculous.
  9. Standard member vivify
    rain
    21 Oct '16 13:58 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    No the criteria have been set out already but I repeat them for your benefit:

    a study from Save the Children... found that the US ranks lower than Kazakhstan and Algeria on gender equality, due to its low representation of women in parliament, high teenage pregnancy rates and and record on maternal deaths.

    Notice it said the US was (from memory) 32n ...[text shortened]... ow low you wish to set the bar.

    Well done on the kindergarten teachers though. Not all bad.
    You apparently don't know what click-bait is. Google that term, then compare what you know to the title of the article. Then, read my post again.

    And I said kindergarten through high school. An unsurprising omission from an anti-American bigot.
  10. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    21 Oct '16 14:42
    Originally posted by vivify
    You apparently don't know what click-bait is. Google that term, then compare what you know to the title of the article. Then, read my post again.

    And I said kindergarten through high school. An unsurprising omission from an anti-American bigot.
    Click bait is what keeps these threads in business by supplying a topic for discussion and presumably what draws you to the debates. The point is simply a distraction from the arguments made. Your inability to engage directly with the arguments and your reliance on rhetorical devices to sidestep them is not impressive.
  11. Standard member vivify
    rain
    21 Oct '16 15:02 / 6 edits
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Click bait is what keeps these threads in business by supplying a topic for discussion and presumably what draws you to the debates. The point is simply a distraction from the arguments made. Your inability to engage directly with the arguments and your reliance on rhetorical devices to sidestep them is not impressive.
    Click-bait is dishonest, pure and simple.

    If the thread title had been upfront with what it's about, that would've been fine. Instead, I clicked on a thread thinking some important facts or insights were shared regarding the treatment of women in the U.S., only to find this article just briefly mentions disparity in certain workplaces. That's irritating.

    If you want to discuss disparity in government positions, by all means, do so. Just don't be conniving about it.
  12. 21 Oct '16 18:58
    Originally posted by vivify
    This is a misleading, click-bait article. The Guardian implies that women are being mistreated or deliberately held back in some way. Low representation is simply that-uneven numbers in a given field. There are more female teachers from kindergarten to high school, a field once dominated by men.

    http://time.com/4064665/women-college-degree/

    Women in ...[text shortened]... rt won't get as many clicks as a title that feeds the confirmation bias of anti-American bigots.
    The proud ethnocentric American Vivify makes a typically disingenuous argument.
    The article refers to an *international comparison now*, including the United States.
    Vivify apparently wants to make an *internal comparison* between the United States
    *now and in the past* and argue that the USA has become less sexist in some ways.
    No one, including Hillary Clinton, would dispute that the USA has become less sexist in some ways.
    This is Vivify's 'strawman'.

    Even today, the USA is far from leading the world's countries in the proportions of women
    who are members of Parliament (Congress in the USA), scientists, engineers, or doctors.
    Despite sexism in Russian culture, the USSR long ago had much higher proportions
    than the USA of women as scientists, engineers, or doctors. (To be realistic, being
    a doctor in the USSR was less prestigious than being a doctor in the USA.)
  13. 21 Oct '16 19:10
    Originally posted by finnegan to Vivify
    No the criteria have been set out already but I repeat them for your benefit:

    a study from Save the Children... found that the US ranks lower than Kazakhstan and Algeria on gender equality, due to its low representation of women in parliament, high teenage pregnancy rates and and record on maternal deaths.

    Notice it said the US was (from me ...[text shortened]... ow low you wish to set the bar.

    Well done on the kindergarten teachers though. Not all bad.
    Whenever any of the Americans here feels too insecure, they typically like to indulge in US flag-waving.

    I already pointed out that the USA's ranking is comparable to several other diverse countries':
    30) Kazahkstan 31) Algeria 32) USA 33) Tunisia 34) Cuba 35) Japan

    Kazahkstan (once part of the USSR), Algeria, and Tunisia are predominantly Muslim societies.
    Cuba's one of the few Communist societies remaining in the world.

    China was not included in the survey. According to women (I know some of them) who
    are familiar with working in both China and Japan, there's signficantly more institutional
    sexism in Japan, though there's also signficantly more poverty in China. So I would
    expect China to be probably ranked ahead of Japan.
  14. 21 Oct '16 19:37
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2016/oct/11/us-united-states-ranks-lower-than-kazahkstan-algeria-gender-equality-international-day-of-the-girl

    "US Ranks Lower than Kazahkstan and Algeria in Gender Equality"

    Out of 144 countries in the Girls' Opportunity Index, the USA's 32nd.
    (Richer countries tended to rank higher than poorer countri ...[text shortened]... 0) India
    94) Iraq
    102) Brazil
    104) Papua New Guinea
    105) Haiti
    121) Afghanistan
    144) Niger
    What does "gender equality" mean anyway? The two genders of humans are unequal and different in many ways. Viva la difference. Most inequalities have to do with actual roles filled by males and females in very real cultural situations, which can't be settled by academic outsiders.
  15. Standard member vivify
    rain
    21 Oct '16 20:48
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The proud ethnocentric American Vivify makes a typically disingenuous argument.
    The article refers to an *international comparison now*, including the United States.
    Vivify apparently wants to make an *internal comparison* between the United States
    *now and in the past* and argue that the USA has become less sexist in some ways.
    No one, including Hilla ...[text shortened]... be realistic, being
    a doctor in the USSR was less prestigious than being a doctor in the USA.)
    You made a typically stupid argument based on something I didn't say. Your reputation for doing so precedes you.