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    02 Sep '17 14:13
    I never saw this on 60 minutes or any other news program. Propaganda by omission?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/13/usa.pakistan
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    02 Sep '17 14:58
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    I never saw this on 60 minutes or any other news program. Propaganda by omission?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/oct/13/usa.pakistan
    I'm no fan of GW or any of his ilk.
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    03 Sep '17 00:591 edit
    The USA needed Pakistan because India was "non aligned" and bought weapons from Russia.

    The USA also wanted the Shah of Iran to have nukes - tried hard to achieve this. That is why there is a nuclear expertise in Iran to complain about today - taught in American universities at the behest of the US government.

    All part of the Cold War. Also all part of American fkg stupidity and irresponsible war mongering.
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    03 Sep '17 20:51
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    The USA needed Pakistan because India was "non aligned" and bought weapons from Russia.

    The USA also wanted the Shah of Iran to have nukes - tried hard to achieve this. That is why there is a nuclear expertise in Iran to complain about today - taught in American universities at the behest of the US government.

    All part of the Cold War. Also all part of American fkg stupidity and irresponsible war mongering.
    While India was nominally 'non-aligned' in the conflict between the USA and the USSR,
    India was a de facto ally (or client state) of the USSR against China--their common enemy.
    India had (and has) territorial disputes with both Pakistan and China, who therefore are allies.
  5. Zugzwang
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    05 Sep '17 20:00
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    While India was nominally 'non-aligned' in the conflict between the USA and the USSR,
    India was a de facto ally (or client state) of the USSR against China--their common enemy.
    India had (and has) territorial disputes with both Pakistan and China, who therefore are allies.
    During India's victorious 1971 war against Pakistan (which resulted in East Pakistan becoming
    independent Bangladesh), the USA warned India *not* to invade West Pakistan and attempt
    to enlarge its victory by conquering all Pakistan. The USA would send aircraft carriers to
    the Indian Ocean in attempting to deter India.

    That said, one should not overstate the extent of the USA's opposition to India's territorial ambitions.
    On the vital issue of Kashmir, US neutrality has a pro-Indian tilt, favoring the status quo of
    India ruling a Muslim majority region that long has been denied political self-determination.
    And the USA strongly supported India in its (losing) 1962 border war with China.
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    07 Sep '17 15:39
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    The USA needed Pakistan because India was "non aligned" and bought weapons from Russia.

    The USA also wanted the Shah of Iran to have nukes - tried hard to achieve this. That is why there is a nuclear expertise in Iran to complain about today - taught in American universities at the behest of the US government.

    All part of the Cold War. Also all part of American fkg stupidity and irresponsible war mongering.
    India tests ICBMs and the USA government doesn't complain at all.

    https://www.rt.com/news/228167-india-agni-missile-test/

    China tested a missile earlier in the year and no complaints from the USA either. I doubt the USA ever expected China to pressure the DPRK to halt missile tests since China does the same. My guess is it is just an excuse for Trump to abandon his promise to get tough on China in regards to trade. Remember? Trump was going to use trade tariffs as leverage to pressure North Korea, but since China did nothing of the sort there is still no talk of tariffs when they should be punished. Just another excuse to flip flop again.
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    07 Sep '17 15:48
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    While India was nominally 'non-aligned' in the conflict between the USA and the USSR,
    India was a de facto ally (or client state) of the USSR against China--their common enemy.
    India had (and has) territorial disputes with both Pakistan and China, who therefore are allies.
    China tested a missile earlier in the year yet no complaints from the USA.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/world/china-tests-missile-with-10-nuclear-warheads-donald-trump-presidency-4504092/

    Pakistan, India and China are all nuclear powers. Why does the USA government condone the nuclear ambitions of these three former British colonies while condemning the DPRK in a clear double standard?
  8. Zugzwang
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    07 Sep '17 20:05
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    China tested a missile earlier in the year yet no complaints from the USA.

    http://indianexpress.com/article/world/china-tests-missile-with-10-nuclear-warheads-donald-trump-presidency-4504092/

    Pakistan, India and China are all nuclear powers. Why does the USA government condone the nuclear ambitions of these three former British colonies while condemning the DPRK in a clear double standard?
    The Indian nationalist media likes to exaggerate China as a military threat.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

    "The number of nuclear warheads in China's arsenal is a state secret. There are varying
    estimates of the size of China's arsenal. China is estimated by the Federation of American
    Scientists to have an arsenal of about 260 total warheads as of 2015, which would make
    it *the second smallest nuclear arsenal* amongst the five nuclear weapon states
    acknowledged by the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons."

    "these three former British colonies.."
    --Metal Brain

    China never was a British colony, though a part (Hong Kong) of it was seized by the British Empire.
    The US media almost always regards British colonial rule in Hong Kong in extremely
    favorable terms, ignoring its endemic racism and common corruption.
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