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    Wall Street Owns The Country
    A Speech by Mary Elizabeth Lease (circa 1890)

    This is a nation of inconsistencies. The Puritans fleeing from oppression became oppressors. We fought England for our liberty and put chains on four million of blacks. We wiped out slavery and our tariff laws and national banks began a system of white wage slavery worse than the first. Wall Street owns the country. It is no longer a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, but a government of Wall Street, by Wall Street, and for Wall Street. The great common people of this country are slaves, and monopoly is the master. The West and South are bound and prostrate before the manufacturing East. Money rules, and our Vice-President is a London banker. Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. The [political] parties lie to us and the political speakers mislead us. We were told two years ago to go to work and raise a big crop, that was all we needed. We went to work and plowed and planted; the rains fell, the sun shone, nature smiled, and we raised the big crop that they told us to; and what came of it? Eight-cent corn, ten-cent oats, two-cent beef and no price at all for butter and eggs-that's what came of it. The politicians said we suffered from overproduction. Overproduction, when 10,000 little children, so statistics tell us, starve to death every year in the United States, and over 100,000 shopgirls in New York are forced to sell their virtue for the bread their niggardly wages deny them... We want money, land and transportation. We want the abolition of the National Banks, and we want the power to make loans direct from the government. We want the foreclosure system wiped out... We will stand by our homes and stay by our fireside by force if necessary, and we will not pay our debts to the loan-shark companies until the government pays its debts to us. The people are at bay; let the bloodhounds of money who dogged us thus far beware.
    http://www.historyisaweapon.com/defcon1/marylease.html


    The more things change, the more things remain the same - which is the intent of conservatives. That so many continue to buy into their propaganda is mind-boggling.
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    01 Mar '18 17:23
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    [quote]Wall Street Owns The Country
    A Speech by Mary Elizabeth Lease (circa 1890)

    This is a nation of inconsistencies. The Puritans fleeing from oppression became oppressors. We fought England for our liberty and put chains on four million of blacks. We wiped out slavery and our tariff laws and national banks began a system of white wage slavery wors ...[text shortened]... he intent of conservatives. That so many continue to buy into their propaganda is mind-boggling.
    The struggle of humanity to devise a system of government where the few cannot oppress the many has been going on for a long time now, has it not?
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    01 Mar '18 17:28
    Originally posted by @mchill
    The struggle of humanity to devise a system of government where the few cannot oppress the many has been going on for a long time now, has it not?
    What's mind-bogging is the number of those who are amongst the "many" that continue to buy into the propaganda of the "few".

    The problem seems to be not so much the "devising" as to how it's carried out in practice. .
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    02 Mar '18 09:57
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    [quote]Wall Street Owns The Country
    A Speech by Mary Elizabeth Lease (circa 1890)

    This is a nation of inconsistencies. The Puritans fleeing from oppression became oppressors. We fought England for our liberty and put chains on four million of blacks. We wiped out slavery and our tariff laws and national banks began a system of white wage slavery wors ...[text shortened]... he intent of conservatives. That so many continue to buy into their propaganda is mind-boggling.
    Yes, Wall Street owns your country... but that is not inconsistent. It was intended from the start that your country was one owned by the few under the disguise of an intentionally broken 'democracy' Reveal Hidden Content
    Any one now chipping in with "but it's not, it's a republic"... go back to your bridge.
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    The Puritans did not flee persecution, they fled because they were not allowed to be the persecuters. Much like libertarians today, and probably a large part of why that philosophy is so popular in the USA, they were extreme hypocrites.
    You wiped out slavery... later than most. And even then you kept the segregation.
    You never were the paragon of justice. You've always been imperialists and colonisers within your own continent, not fighters for justice unless you really couldn't helo it.

    And most importantly, you fought England for the freedom of the few, the upper crust, not that of the masses. And this non-freedom remains the basis of your state. That's why Wall Street and Harvard rule you - by design, not by degeneration.
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    02 Mar '18 16:00
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    [quote]Wall Street Owns The Country
    A Speech by Mary Elizabeth Lease (circa 1890)

    This is a nation of inconsistencies. The Puritans fleeing from oppression became oppressors. We fought England for our liberty and put chains on four million of blacks. We wiped out slavery and our tariff laws and national banks began a system of white wage slavery wors ...[text shortened]... he intent of conservatives. That so many continue to buy into their propaganda is mind-boggling.
    Let’s apply the modern rationale to Mary E. Lease’s fiery indictment on (what she saw as) the stealing of the citizenry's American dream by the entrenched insidiousness of the fat-cats of Wall Street.

    At the time of this speech, the US population was ~62M.
    Combining both finance and real estate employment rolls, roughly 2% of those working were so employed, for a smidgen over half a million, 520,000 in the field Mary felt was complicit in the cover-up.

    But Mary is pretty specific in her complaint of conspiracy, fingering those in manufacturing, too.
    So let’s put those jobs in there as well, another 8,230,000 people, for a combined total of 8,750,000 people--- 34.4% of all people employed in non-farm industries.

    So how did they do it?
    How did nearly 35% of all those employed--- 14% of the larger US population--- keep this vast conspiracy, this nefarious cabal of power-gone-amok a secret?

    No one told anyone?
    Come on; let's get serious.
    The mailroom clerk never came across an ill-advised missive from one cigar-chomping fat-cat to another, wherein the first was laughing maniacally about Wall Street’s subjugation of the citizenry?
    No fat-cat ever felt a pang of guilt on their deathbed, renouncing their life of pillaging, repentant of not only their ill-gotten gain, but of their campaign to rob their fellow citizens of the American dream?
    Nearly nine million people and not a loose lip among them, all of them taking it to their grave, those secrets buried forever?

    Somehow only a handful of people--- common, 'good folks' like Mary--- were able to see this alleged malfeasance, these crimes against the American people by, um, American people?
    We’re expected to believe that a conspiracy which cuts across that many walks of life was somehow perpetrated right under the noses of the remaining public?
    That the press just turned a blind eye?
    The advocates, muckrakers, sensationalists: not a one of them voiced these same concerns?

    Come on.
    Do the math.
    How many people had to be involved to keep this a secret?
    All of them.
    All nine million people had to keep their treachery buried in their hearts and minds.
    None of them--- not a single one of them--- could be the weak link… or the whole thing would have come crashing down.
    Add the silence of the press and the web would have to be even wider, even less likely to withstand the slightest scrutiny.

    This is a common sense problem, people.
    Common sense makes such a proposition patently absurd.

    Mary E. Lease: a 19th century conspiratard.
    Nice try, Mary.
    She probably doesn't think we went to the moon, either...

    Some footnote references, for the reference geeks to verify where I got all those cool numbers:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/upshot/wall-street-is-back-almost-as-big-as-ever.html
    https://www.mercatus.org/publication/government-financed-employment-and-real-private-sector-50-states
    https://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_201.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_United_States_Census
    https://www.census.gov/
    https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2016/employment-by-industry-1910-and-2015.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_United_States_Census
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    03 Mar '18 16:36
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    Yes, Wall Street owns your country... but that is not inconsistent. It was intended from the start that your country was one owned by the few under the disguise of an intentionally broken 'democracy' [hidden]Any one now chipping in with "but it's not, it's a republic"... go back to your bridge.[/hidden].

    The Puritans did not flee persecution, they f ...[text shortened]... sis of your state. That's why Wall Street and Harvard rule you - by design, not by degeneration.
    While much of what you've written is true, some seems little more than speculation on your part. For example:
    "It was intended from the start that your country was one owned by the few under the disguise of an intentionally broken 'democracy'
    "The Puritans did not flee persecution, they fled because they were not allowed to be the persecuters"

    What is your basis?
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    03 Mar '18 16:47
    Originally posted by @freakykbh
    Let’s apply the modern rationale to Mary E. Lease’s fiery indictment on (what she saw as) the stealing of the citizenry's American dream by the entrenched insidiousness of the fat-cats of Wall Street.

    At the time of this speech, the US population was ~62M.
    Combining both finance and real estate employment rolls, roughly 2% of those working were so emp ...[text shortened]... mployment-by-industry-1910-and-2015.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_United_States_Census
    "cover-up"? "complaint of conspiracy"? "nefarious cabal of power-gone-amok a secret"? "How many people had to be involved to keep this a secret?"?

    Lease said nothing about "cover-up", "conspiracy", "secret", etc. All you've managed to do here is try to paint Lease as some kind of "conspiracy" theorist nutter and revealed that the only nutter is you.

    This is to say nothing of your dubious attempt to frame it within statistics in a desperate attempt to make your argument seem based in reason.
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    05 Mar '18 13:25
    Originally posted by @freakykbh
    Let’s apply the modern rationale to Mary E. Lease’s fiery indictment on (what she saw as) the stealing of the citizenry's American dream by the entrenched insidiousness of the fat-cats of Wall Street.

    At the time of this speech, the US population was ~62M.
    Combining both finance and real estate employment rolls, roughly 2% of those working were so emp ...[text shortened]... mployment-by-industry-1910-and-2015.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1890_United_States_Census
    Just how do you always manage to come down exactly on the wrong side of every, single issue?

    You call this a "conspiracy", when you think the earth is flat, when you claim we did not go to the moon and when you think that 9/11 was engineered by a cabal? Really?
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    05 Mar '18 13:28
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Just how do you always manage to come down exactly on the wrong side of every, single issue?

    You call this a "conspiracy", when you think the earth is flat, when you claim we did not go to the moon and when you think that 9/11 was engineered by a cabal? Really?
    #helpfindfreakyahobby
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