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  1. The Catbird's Seat
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    13 Oct '15 12:48
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Your educational level is high enough to (claim to) be a teacher but your capacity for logical thinking is grotesquely weak.

    Americans insist on excessively high and worsening levels of inequality, and the economic system you demand (ask the Tea Party) is one in which large scale poverty is structurally integral. Any attack on poverty is itself attacke ...[text shortened]... play the humility and gratitude you demand of the serfs in your caste based vision of the world.
    You are peddling an assortment of myths yourself. And your own logic is grotesquely illogical.

    Americans insist on excessively high and worsening levels of inequality,

    Inequality, is hardly American. It is human. In most parts of the world, including socialist paradises, poverty is more grinding than in America, and the possibility of becoming wealthy is nil.

    The food consumed by the poor is often of poor quality.

    When I shop, nobody is dictating what I buy. The very first area on entering the store is fresh produce. Yet I see people with carts full of prepared junk, often paying with food stamps, and no sign of any fresh produce.

    Poor quality food is part of the whole unfair system that keeps the poor down.

    No, they have choices like everyone else. They can fill up the cart with twinkies, and TV dinners, or buy fresh produce. Contrary to your ignorant assertions, the poor in America have available all sorts of educational resources to improve their nutritional knowledge.

    The rest of your stereotypical verbiage about rich and poor are too lengthy for me to address right now but they are idiotic and illogical, as well as untrue.
  2. Standard memberfinnegan
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    14 Oct '15 20:00
    It’s no secret that corporations around the world regularly fund research and PR campaigns to make their products look better than they really are. The fossil fuel industry has spent billions sowing the seed of doubt about climate change; Monsanto has spent millions to defend Roundup and other harmful pesticides; and the junk food industry is known to target children and parents with messages about how healthy their products are.

    Coca-Cola has been funding dietitians, doctors, academics, fitness experts, chefs and more, all working to promote the narrative that soda is not just not harmful, but in some cases that it’s even healthy.

    Some of the initiatives funded by Coca-Cola include:

    A study where a professor lost weight by eating twinkies for 10 weeks
    An institute opposed to a tax on soda aimed at reducing obesity
    A research institute that blames the obesity epidemic on “gluttony” and “sloth”

    Coca-Cola can try to make its products look healthy by offering smaller packaging or sponsoring sporting events, but we all know that soda and junk food are one of the leading causes of the obesity epidemic around the world.
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    15 Oct '15 05:22
    Originally posted by finnegan
    It’s no secret that corporations around the world regularly fund research and PR campaigns to make their products look better than they really are. The fossil fuel industry has spent billions sowing the seed of doubt about climate change; Monsanto has spent millions to defend Roundup and other harmful pesticides; and the junk food industry is known to targe ...[text shortened]... that soda and junk food are one of the leading causes of the obesity epidemic around the world.
    ...and sitting too much.

    Tax on sitting please.
  4. Germany
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    15 Oct '15 06:50
    Originally posted by normbenign

    Inequality, is hardly American. It is human. In most parts of the world, including socialist paradises, poverty is more grinding than in America, and the possibility of becoming wealthy is nil.
    Keep telling yourself that, at some point you might even start to believe it. I recommend avoiding all the facts and data though.
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    15 Oct '15 12:231 edit
    Originally posted by jimmac
    I am a bit slow, so I am unsure of your level of sarcasm, though at some level some of things things happen.As in public awareness campaigns etc. The rest is well?? Finnegans idea, To me at least, hurts no-one, so I ask, Why not? It is uncomplicated and easy to manage, (No bureaucracy) with no-one unable to get what they want. To simple.
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    --Surely, more winners than losers. Tell me who it would hurt.?
    No bureaucracy?

    Who is going to implement and oversee these regulation? Santa's Elves perhaps?

    Of course, I'm sure none of this will result in higher cost of food at the grocery.

    If you like your food, you can keep your food.
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    15 Oct '15 12:261 edit
    You kids may as well get used to this.

    "You might have expected this knowledge to lead to acceptance, empathy and an end to stigmatisation. Fat chance. A fortnight ago, just after the figures mentioned at the top of this article were published, David Cameron announced a review that could lead to obese people being deprived of social security payments if they fail to accept “treatment” for their condition."

    You are slaves now. Do as they say and they will continue to give you slave wages to live on. Either that, or you are on your own in this horrible economy they have created.

    LOL.
  7. Standard memberfinnegan
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    15 Oct '15 20:35
    Originally posted by whodey
    You kids may as well get used to this.

    "You might have expected this knowledge to lead to acceptance, empathy and an end to stigmatisation. Fat chance. A fortnight ago, just after the figures mentioned at the top of this article were published, David Cameron announced a review that could lead to obese people being deprived of social security payments if th ...[text shortened]... e on. Either that, or you are on your own in this horrible economy they have created.

    LOL.
    You are not wrong about Cameron and his government. Their objective is for the British to become more like the Chinese and no longer price themselves out of work. Or more like the United States, a country with no legally mandated holiday entitlement and no statutory maternity leave; a place where a quarter of workers receive no paid holiday from their employers at all; a place where billionaires high on Ayn Rand dream of creating private sweatshop islands in the sea. In other words, they are shifting the economy to a low wage, low productivity model. They can't easily prevent people wanting an education, which is no longer strictly helpful to most employers as it produces humans who think, so they are making it more and more expensive and trusting that, in time, young people will get the message that education is a privilege for the wealthy. (They are also working at killing the curriculum of course so thinking is not strictly essential any more.)
  8. The Catbird's Seat
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    16 Oct '15 01:56
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Keep telling yourself that, at some point you might even start to believe it. I recommend avoiding all the facts and data though.
    Nobody forces the lemmings to buy the unhealthy stuff. Do you actually believe there is anyone in America that doesn't know the health hazards of Coca Cola, or other soda pops? Often people simply don't care. They are aware of the evils of booze too, but continue to drink. It's called freedom.
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    16 Oct '15 02:39
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Nobody forces the lemmings to buy the unhealthy stuff. Do you actually believe there is anyone in America that doesn't know the health hazards of Coca Cola, or other soda pops? Often people simply don't care. They are aware of the evils of booze too, but continue to drink. It's called freedom.
    To be fair, now that we have to literally pay for the problems your freedom creates should society not have a say?

    Let's say that the government mandates that I'm financially responsible for your car and I see you mistreating your car. Should I not have a say in preventing you from causing me to pay out a lot of money for it?

    Don't get me wrong, this whole scenario is insane and immoral, but it is what it is.
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    16 Oct '15 03:59
    Originally posted by finnegan
    a place where billionaires high on Ayn Rand dream of creating private sweatshop islands in the sea. .
    I am unfamiliar where Rand proposed this, can you provide some reference please.

    Or is it one of your dream feeling projections?

    Especially this:

    "In other words, they are shifting the economy to a low wage, low productivity model."

    Do you have some quotes, or can you steer me toward some of her essays where in your wildest dreams this might be applicable.
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    16 Oct '15 06:19
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Nobody forces the lemmings to buy the unhealthy stuff. Do you actually believe there is anyone in America that doesn't know the health hazards of Coca Cola, or other soda pops? Often people simply don't care. They are aware of the evils of booze too, but continue to drink. It's called freedom.
    Nobody forces gambling addicts to gamble, but don't you think that it is common sense for a society to seek to mitigate the harm causing by gambling addictions, e.g. by preventing casinos from opening up inside schools?
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    16 Oct '15 08:36
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Nobody forces gambling addicts to gamble, but don't you think that it is common sense for a society to seek to mitigate the harm causing by gambling addictions, e.g. by preventing casinos from opening up inside schools?
    Children do not have the same rights as adults, gambling falls into the same category as guns, alcohol and porn. If it is an adult education facility there's no reason for you or any other busybodies to stick their nose in.

    Of course it's a particularly puerile example (but coming from you, no surprises eh) the number of schools that might choose to run a casino within their grounds? Not many.

    And because one or two schools might choose to diversify? that is no justification for all your other busybody BS regs.
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    16 Oct '15 08:48
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    I am unfamiliar where Rand proposed this, can you provide some reference please.

    Or is it one of your dream feeling projections?

    Especially this:

    "In other words, they are shifting the economy to a low wage, low productivity model."

    Do you have some quotes, or can you steer me toward some of her essays where in your wildest dreams this might be applicable.
    "a place where billionaires high on Ayn Rand dream of creating private sweatshop islands in the sea. "

    The subject of this sentence is "billionaires" and they are described as being "high on Ayn Rand." It is the billlionaires who have such dreams.


    "In other words, they are shifting the economy to a low wage, low productivity model."

    The subject of this sentence is the Tories in the UK, not Rand.

    It may help you to note that outside the USA, Rand is considered a joke and her name is never, ever included in any sentence as a serious proposition. "#OnlyintheUSA.... "

    When you learn to read English, use the simple rules of grammar and apply elementary logic, you may find life and this forum less confusing.
  14. Standard memberfinnegan
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    16 Oct '15 08:58
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Children do not have the same rights as adults, gambling falls into the same category as guns, alcohol and porn. If it is an adult education facility there's no reason for you or any other busybodies to stick their nose in.

    Of course it's a particularly puerile example (but coming from you, no surprises eh) the number of schools that might choose to run a ...[text shortened]... schools might choose to diversify? that is no justification for all your other busybody BS regs.
    Children are nevertheless the targets of heavy marketing by the food industry and the addictions and eating disorders (which you libertarians find so amusing) described in my OP and revealed by independent scientific research are established in childhood.

    Of course, we know that the food industry (notably Coca Cola) explicity promote the political argument that regulating their disgraceful behaviour is an attack on "liberty," an idiotic and disingenuous argument which you and norm fall for at once, despite this really being a matter of the executives of a wealthy and dishonest food industry intentionally acting antisocially and harmfully and declining to be held to account.

    If you are not prepared to regulate the composition of foood then you really are losing sight of the social obligations we all share to each other and especially to the more vulnerable in our communities, including all children.

    I suppose it is against libertarian principles to demand that car manufacturers fit effective brakes on their cars? The market will decide by killing off anyone silly enough not to be a competent engineer and check the mechanics of their cars. Of course the market will not just kill the idiots but also many bystanders and innocent passengers but there you have the price of freedom.
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    16 Oct '15 09:20
    Originally posted by finnegan
    "a place where billionaires high on Ayn Rand dream of creating private sweatshop islands in the sea. "

    The subject of this sentence is "billionaires" and they are described as being "high on Ayn Rand." It is the billlionaires who have such dreams.


    "In other words, they are shifting the economy to a low wage, low productivity model."

    The subject ...[text shortened]... le rules of grammar and apply elementary logic, you may find life and this forum less confusing.
    Ah, so it was one of your dream feeling projections, thought as much.
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