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  1. Standard membervivify
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    I have a general idea of what most of you believe, but I thought it would be nice to have an open discussion on specifically your political views.

    I'd appreciate it if for just one thread, no attacks on anyone's views be made. Just simply tell us your point of view. I think this could help us all better understand each other a bit better.

    My views: My views tend to be more liberal in general, but I don't adhere to labels like liberal or conservative. I actively try to see both sides of an argument, aim for what seems to be the most true. I don't support one political party over another. I try to be as balanced as possible, and here's what I mean when I say that:

    1) I voted for Obama over Romney, but would've voted for Ron Paul had he won the Republican nomination. That puts me in conflict with both Dems and Reps.

    2) I think abortion should be legal, but I still believe doing so is killing an innocent life (being forced to birth an unwanted child could lead to bigger social problems). This view puts me in conflict with both the pro-choice and pro-life camps.

    3) I don't believe in any god, but I haven't ruled out the possibility that one could exist. This puts me in conflict with both religious and atheistic people.

    Note: when I say "conflict", I simply mean that I find both sides disagreeing, not necessarily that I get into shouting matches.

    So, that's a bit of my views. I'd be very interested to know all of yours.
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    01 Apr '15 01:23
    Originally posted by vivify
    I have a general idea of what most of you believe, but I thought it would be nice to have an open discussion on specifically your political views.

    I'd appreciate it if for just one thread, no attacks on anyone's views be made. Just simply tell us your point of view. I think this could help us all better understand each other a bit better.

    My views: ...[text shortened]... outing matches.

    So, that's a bit of my views. I'd be very interested to know all of yours.
    I believe in a God and I believe in limited government. This puts me in the cross hairs of pretty much every tyrant on the globe, as well as the army of their lemming followers. For you see, I not only wish to diminish their power, I even suggest that there is an ultimate authority that is above them.
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    01 Apr '15 01:25
    Originally posted by vivify
    2) I think abortion should be legal, but I still believe doing so is killing an innocent life (being forced to birth an unwanted child could lead to bigger social problems). This view puts me in conflict with both the pro-choice and pro-life camps.
    So you don't see anything wrong with killing innocent life?

    At least have the decency to lie about it like all the rest by saying its not a baby till it passes out of the birth canal so that the birth fairy can wave her magic wand over it, thus making it human.
  4. Zugzwang
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    Describing one's political beliefs does not necessarily accurately define them.

    Should I wait for people with racist beliefs to admit they have racist beliefs?
    Why should one expect people to have any more self-awareness or honesty
    in posting in this thread than in any other (where lying seems common)?

    Does Vivify accept literally whatever politicians say in their campaign speeches?
    Would Vivify trust what Hitler could write in this thread if he were able to do so?
  5. Standard membersh76
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    01 Apr '15 01:44
    Originally posted by vivify
    I have a general idea of what most of you believe, but I thought it would be nice to have an open discussion on specifically your political views.

    I'd appreciate it if for just one thread, no attacks on anyone's views be made. Just simply tell us your point of view. I think this could help us all better understand each other a bit better.

    My views: ...[text shortened]... outing matches.

    So, that's a bit of my views. I'd be very interested to know all of yours.
    I have no beliefs.

    I have opinions.
  6. SubscriberWajoma
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    01 Apr '15 01:52
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Describing one's political beliefs does not necessarily accurately define them.

    Should I wait for people with racist beliefs to admit they have racist beliefs?
    Why should one expect people to have any more self-awareness or honesty
    in posting in this thread than in any other (where lying seems common)?

    Does Vivify accept literally whatever politici ...[text shortened]... n speeches?
    Would Vivify trust what Hitler could write in this thread if he were able to do so?
    Aren't threads supposed to go for at least a few pages before trying to kill it with Hitler.
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    01 Apr '15 01:57
    Originally posted by sh76
    I have no beliefs.

    I have opinions.
    What is the difference?
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    01 Apr '15 01:57
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Aren't threads supposed to go for at least a few pages before trying to kill it with Hitler.
    Must have gotten up on the wrong side of the Third Reich this morning.
  9. Subscriberhenjutsu
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    10 Apr '15 15:20
    Eh, I suppose I'll try.

    First, I view myself as an earthling, what country I am in is irrelevant. I am against war and would like for it to be eliminated. I think it's possible for everyone in the world to collectively be wrong about something, it's happened before (flat earth for example, a belief that miraculously continues in some form to this day).

    I think television and radio have turned politics into largely theatre politics. The two factions in the US are arguing about gay rights, abortions, racial discrimination. These are important subjects, but I would rather there be clear and open discussions about things like TPP, climate change, economic inequality, systemic flaws in the justice system, separation of church and state, and education that isn't aimed solely at a certain skillset so as to reduce the frequency of "educated idiots". I would like for us (humans) to explore space, biology, and science in general. I'd rather we stopped wasting time, energy, and lives battling each other over interpretations of a book written hundreds or thousands of years ago.

    In summary, I think my political beliefs are similar to Thomas Paine.
  10. Germany
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    10 Apr '15 17:35
    Originally posted by vivify
    I have a general idea of what most of you believe, but I thought it would be nice to have an open discussion on specifically your political views.

    I'd appreciate it if for just one thread, no attacks on anyone's views be made. Just simply tell us your point of view. I think this could help us all better understand each other a bit better.

    My views: ...[text shortened]... outing matches.

    So, that's a bit of my views. I'd be very interested to know all of yours.
    What I find most interesting is what you don't say rather than what you say. What about the major decisions governments have to make... tax policy, (agricultural) subsidies, military spending, social security spending, etc.? This would say a lot more about your political beliefs than whether you chose for giant douche or for turd sandwich. The obsession with God in American political discourse also confuses me. For the vast majority of political issues, whether someone believes in supernatural deities is irrelevant.

    Oh, and there are plenty of atheists who do not "rule out the possibility" that gods may exist.
  11. SubscriberGhost of a Dukeonline
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    10 Apr '15 18:33
    Originally posted by henjutsu
    Eh, I suppose I'll try.

    First, I view myself as an earthling, what country I am in is irrelevant. I am against war and would like for it to be eliminated. I think it's possible for everyone in the world to collectively be wrong about something, it's happened before (flat earth for example, a belief that miraculously continues in some form to this day). ...[text shortened]... ousands of years ago.

    In summary, I think my political beliefs are similar to Thomas Paine.
    Excellent post.
  12. Zugzwang
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    10 Apr '15 18:44
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra to Vivify
    What I find most interesting is what you don't say rather than what you say. What about the major decisions governments have to make... tax policy, (agricultural) subsidies, military spending, social security spending, etc.? This would say a lot more about your political beliefs than whether you chose for giant douche or for turd sandwich. The ...[text shortened]...
    Oh, and there are plenty of atheists who do not "rule out the possibility" that gods may exist.
    "What I find most interesting is what you don't say rather than what you say."
    --KazetNagorra (writing to Vivify)

    As an ethnocentric American, Vivify makes ethnocentric American assumptions.
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    10 Apr '15 19:23
    I am a great admirer of the Scandinavian countries and various ideas in European countries.
    I think a global minimum wage is an intriguing idea.
    I strongly dislike the current system where many people benefit significantly from inherited wealth - that includes even the poorest people in rich countries who are benefiting from the country they live in.
    I also strongly dislike the system whereby people good at management type jobs typically get paid more than any other field simply because it is managers that get to set the salaries.
    I am for religious freedom but think religion should largely be kept out of politics. I do not consider my own lack of religious beliefs to be a political view.
    I have views on abortion but do not consider them to be political views.
    I am rather discouraged by the concept of democracy via vote every few years. I think there should be a lot more local democracy and input on individual issues and that there should be a lot less focus on the man at the top and parties and a lot less money spend on campaigning. Some countries do manage to achieve some level of distributed democracy but I would like to see more of it - and a lot more recognition of it and its importance in the media, education system and government.
    I think we should get off fossil fuels as soon as possible, and we should revolutionize farming practices.
  14. Standard membervivify
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    10 Apr '15 20:261 edit
    ^ why don't you consider abortion a political issue?
  15. Germany
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    11 Apr '15 08:42
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "What I find most interesting is what you don't say rather than what you say."
    --KazetNagorra (writing to Vivify)

    As an ethnocentric American, Vivify makes ethnocentric American assumptions.
    I guess I can't blame him. Americans have been raised to not question the major political issues that both halves of the same party agree on, and instead focus on nigh-irrelevant social issues like abortion and gun rights. When they do talk about significant socio-economic issues, it is hollowed down by meaningless slogans like "socialism," "middle-class economics" and "limited government."
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