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  1. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    22 May '10 01:53 / 1 edit
    http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/74-1256.aspx

    I think it was Cthulhu.
  2. 22 May '10 01:57
    your link is broken.
  3. 22 May '10 02:00
    is the DPRK thinking that they can get away with it with Obama in office?
  4. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    22 May '10 02:05
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    is the DPRK thinking that they can get away with it with Obama in office?
    The DPRK has cocked the snook at every U.S. president since Truman.
  5. 22 May '10 02:09
    Originally posted by FMF
    The DPRK has cocked the snook at every U.S. president since Truman.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_border_incidents_involving_North_Korea#2010s

    2000s

    * 2001: On twelve separate occasions, North Korean vessels cross the Northern Limit Line and then retreat.

    * November 27, 2001: North and South Korean forces exchange fire without injuries.

    * June 29, 2002: Renewed naval clashes near the Northern Limit Line lead to the deaths of four South Korean sailors and the sinking of a North Korean vessel. The number of North Koreans killed is unknown.

    * November 16, 2002: South Korean forces fire warning shots on a Northern boat crossing the Northern Limit Line. The boat retreats. The incident is repeated on November 20.

    * February 19, 2003: A North Korean fighter plane crosses seven miles (11 km) south of the Northern Limit Line, and returns north after being intercepted by six South Korean planes.

    * March 2, 2003: Four North Korean fighter jets intercept a US reconnaissance plane over the Sea of Japan.

    * July 17, 2003: North and South Korean forces exchange fire at the DMZ around 6 AM. The South Korean army reports four rounds fired from the North and seventeen from the South. No injuries are reported. [7]

    * November 1, 2004: North Korean vessels, claiming to be in pursuit of illegal fishing craft, cross the Northern Limit Line and are fired upon by the South. The vessels retreat 3 hours later.

    * July 30, 2006: Several rounds are exchanged near a South Korean post in Yanggu, Gangwon.

    * November 10, 2009: Naval vessels from the two Koreas exchanged fire in the area of the NLL, reportedly causing serious damage to a North Korean patrol ship.[8]

    2010s

    * March 26, 2010: One South Korean naval vessel, the ROKS Cheonan, is sunk in the Yellow Sea near North Korea. Reasons for this attack are unknown. 58 sailors are rescued, but 46 were lost and presumed dead. Though not much evidence was initially available, the common theory among the U.S. and South Korean governments was that North Korea had been behind the attack. North Korea had reportedly been running numerous artillery drills on the same day the ship was sunk. On May 20, 2010, following the results of an investigation conducted by experts from the US, Australia, Britain and Sweden, the South Korean government formally blamed the North Korean government for the sinking of the Cheonan.[9]
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    22 May '10 02:18
    Seems the South Koreans dropped an enormous military clanger. Your seeking to link this to Obama is funny.
  7. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    22 May '10 02:22 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    On May 20, 2010, following the results of an investigation conducted by experts from the US, Australia, Britain and Sweden, the South Korean government formally blamed the North Korean government for the sinking of the Cheonan.[9]
    These experts were fresh from investigating and revealing that North Korean bears poo in the woods and South Korean ones don't.
  8. 22 May '10 02:25
    Originally posted by FMF
    Seems the South Koreans dropped an enormous military clanger. Your seeking to link this to Obama is funny.
    "dropped" how so?
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    22 May '10 02:30
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    "dropped" how so?
    That's what happens to clangers. They get dropped. A British expression perhaps. A navy having one of its ships sunk in the Yellow Sea near North Korea is a clanger. It's also tragic with 46 lives lost.
  10. 22 May '10 02:33
    Originally posted by FMF
    The DPRK has cocked the snook at every U.S. president since Truman.
    ok,,, cocked the snook???
  11. 22 May '10 02:35
    Originally posted by FMF
    That's what happens to clangers. They get dropped. A British expression perhaps. A navy having one of its ships sunk in the Yellow Sea near North Korea is a clanger. It's also tragic with 46 lives lost.
    except that SK didn't sink their own ship. NK sank it.
  12. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    22 May '10 02:40
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    your link is broken.
    http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/74-1256.aspx
  13. 22 May '10 02:42
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/74-1256.aspx
    tks; p.s., my post is only four minutes younger than yours and is still editable.
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    22 May '10 02:59
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    except that SK didn't sink their own ship. NK sank it.
    Exactly. That is a disaster for the South Korean navy, and the proforma 'findings' of its de facto allies aside, if I were chief of the South Korean navy I'd be conducting my own enquiries into why the ship ended up going anywhere near North Korean artillery drills near the North Korean coast. Heads would surely roll behind closed doors even as "experts from the US, Australia, Britain and Sweden" gave me face saving cover.

    A similar fact finding enquiry is presumably going on in North Korea - did they or did they know what they were firing at - even as they surely know that no amount of face saving could ever save North Korea's face.
  15. 22 May '10 07:16
    somewhere (maybe ATY's OP link) it mentions SK intercepted NK comm traffic indicating their culpability.