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    17 Dec '16 19:28
    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/16/1611736/-All-hell-breaks-loose-in-North-Carolina-Part-II-As-outrage-mounts-so-do-arrests
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    17 Dec '16 20:24
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/12/16/1611736/-All-hell-breaks-loose-in-North-Carolina-Part-II-As-outrage-mounts-so-do-arrests
    Easy; Republicans lost the Governorship, so the Republican controlled legislature convened an emergency session to strip the Democratic Governor of various powers before he could be inaugurated.

    Remember this when the usual suspects complain about Democrats being "sore losers".
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    The post that was quoted here has been removed
    Man, will these Democrat Congresspeople ever stop with their car burnings and random beatings?
  4. Unknown Territories
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    17 Dec '16 21:01
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Man, will these Democrat Congresspeople ever stop with their car burnings and random beatings?
    Did you miss the "Not My President" Tour?
    Starter kit includes: bandana, 18" gauges, skinny jeans, Doc Martens and a Soylent t-shirt.
    Oh, almost forgot: aluminum bat.

    Get to it, Cinderella!
    Democracy is hanging in the balance and can only be saved by your violence against others!
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    17 Dec '16 22:041 edit
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Did you miss the "Not My President" Tour?
    Starter kit includes: bandana, 18" gauges, skinny jeans, Doc Martens and a Soylent t-shirt.
    Oh, almost forgot: aluminum bat.

    Get to it, Cinderella!
    Democracy is hanging in the balance and can only be saved by your violence against others!
    The difference? The Republicans pulling underhanded trucks are elected officials. But please, talk more about protesting pop stars.
  6. Unknown Territories
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    Originally posted by vivify
    The difference? The Republicans pulling underhanded trucks are elected officials. But please, talk more about protesting pop stars.
    Ah, the ol' underhanded truck: calling card of rabble-rousing Republicans everywhere.
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    19 Dec '16 05:59
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Easy; Republicans lost the Governorship, so the Republican controlled legislature convened an emergency session to strip the Democratic Governor of various powers before he could be inaugurated.

    Remember this when the usual suspects complain about Democrats being "sore losers".
    It's really short term thinking. Do they think this won't come back on them?
  8. Germany
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    19 Dec '16 07:58
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    It's really short term thinking. Do they think this won't come back on them?
    The voters' memory is abysmally poor.
  9. Subscriberno1marauder
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    19 Dec '16 15:571 edit
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    It's really short term thinking. Do they think this won't come back on them?
    One of the laws was specifically aimed at denying Democratic control of the State Board of Elections. Popular voting in North Carolina has been severely hampered by the usual GOP gerrymandering:

    GOP legislators have been able to expand their majorities thanks to approving redistricting maps in 2011. But nearly 30 of those legislative districts were struck down last summer. A federal court has directed updated maps be approved by March 15.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/north-carolina-gop-seeks-reduce-next-governors-powers-095003868--election.html

    They've been big time voter suppressors though some of the measures have been blocked by courts:

    



    Late last night, the North Carolina legislature passed the country’s worst voter suppression law after only three days of debate. Rick Hasen of Election Law Blog called it “the most sweeping anti-voter law in at least decades” The bill mandates strict voter ID to cast a ballot (no student IDs, no public employee IDs, etc.), even though 318,000 registered voters lack the narrow forms of acceptable ID according to the state’s own numbers and there have been no recorded prosecutions of voter impersonation in the past decade. The bill cuts the number of early voting days by a week, even though 56 percent of North Carolinians voted early in 2012. The bill eliminates same-day voter registration during the early voting period, even though 96,000 people used it during the general election in 2012 and states that have adopted the convenient reform have the highest voter turnout in the country. African-Americans are 23 percent of registered voters in the state, but made up 28 percent of early voters in 2012, 33 percent of those who used same-day registration and 34 percent of those without state-issued ID.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/north-carolina-passes-countrys-worst-voter-suppression-law/
  10. Subscriberno1marauder
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    And here's a little ditty where North Carolina officials violated Federal law by striking voters from the registration rolls a week or so before this year's election even though the National Voter Registration Act "bars states from removing voters from the rolls 90 days or less before a federal election."

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/north-carolina-naacp-voter-suppression_us_5817634fe4b064e1b4b385df
  11. Subscriberno1marauder
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    Here's a more detailed description of the proposed laws:

    The bills Republicans are pushing through the legislature would, among other things, cut the number of appointments the governor can make by 80 percent; make his cabinet appointments subject to state senate confirmation; transfer authority for the state board of education from the governor to the superintendent (a Republican ousted a Democrat this year in the election for that seat); move the authority to appoint trustees of the University of North Carolina from the governor to the legislature; and dilute the governor’s control over the state board of elections and mandate that the board will be chaired by a Democrat in odd-numbered years (when there are no elections) and a Republican in even-numbered years (when there are elections).

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/12/16/the-gop-coup-in-north-carolina-previews-what-were-going-to-see-everywhere/?utm_term=.9d3f2716fa9c  
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    20 Dec '16 10:272 edits
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    i particularly enjoyed how the republicans changed the rule about who chairs the state Board of Elections. They graciously shared that position so that a republican is in charge in even numbered years and a democrat is in charge in odd numbered years.
    Can you spot the joke?

    There are no elections in odd numbered years.


    With shenanigans like these, it really supports the idea that states should be given more independence, right?

    EDIT: Awww, marauder already mentioned this. oh well, this also has gerrymandering in it and the cutest policeman-protester interaction ever. Also, Santa Claus gets arrested
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    21 Dec '16 22:21
    Interesting that none of the conservatives here has defended the very extreme actions of the Republican Party. Maybe there's a little bit of hope after all, at least among chess-playing conservatives.
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    22 Dec '16 15:42
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Easy; Republicans lost the Governorship, so the Republican controlled legislature convened an emergency session to strip the Democratic Governor of various powers before he could be inaugurated.

    Remember this when the usual suspects complain about Democrats being "sore losers".
    Is the US the only democracy that has a long transition period allowing for precisely such shenanigans? In most countries a newly elected politician takes office instantly on election, making vengeful responses by the defeated party impossible.
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    22 Dec '16 15:43
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    Is the US the only democracy that has a long transition period allowing for precisely such shenanigans? In most countries a newly elected politician takes office instantly on election, making vengeful responses by the defeated party impossible.
    "democracy"
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