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  1. Zugzwang
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    25 Feb '17 22:42
    Mike Ulmer, a white American Christian pastor, has been charged with
    rape or sexual assault against two girls so far.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/pastor-ties-rapes-teen-picked-school-article-1.2980318

    "Tennessee pastor ties up and rapes teen he picked up outside her school."

    "HENDERSON, Tenn. — Police say a teacher's assistant and preacher tied up and
    raped an 18-year-old student inside his western Tennessee home.

    Citing court documents, news outlets report that 53-year-old Mike Ulmer was charged
    last week with two counts of rape and one count of sexual assault.
    Ulmer is the pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church in Henderson."

    http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/news/crime/2017/02/23/new-assault-charges-chester-county-baptist-minister/98320534/

    "New assault charges for Chester County Baptist minister."

    "Mike Ulmer, 53, is charged with assault after a girl told police Tuesday
    that she had been abused by Ulmer."

    "Court documents say the girl told investigators that Ulmer "was holding
    her head down in his lap and forced her mouth open."
    The girl recorded the incident on her cell phone from her pocket
    because she "felt like he was going to do something to her that night,"
    according to court documents."

    "Court documents say the recording is several minutes long and Ulmer
    can be heard ordering the girl to open her mouth.
    The girl can be heard in the recording asking Ulmer to stop several
    times, court documents say.
    The recording includes Ulmer telling the girl to apologize to him and
    ordering her to give him a hug, according to court document."

    Should Americans be worried about the ideology toward women being
    propagated by white American Christian pastors like Mike Ulmer?
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    25 Feb '17 22:45
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Mike Ulmer, a white American Christian pastor, has been charged with
    rape or sexual assault against two girls so far.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/pastor-ties-rapes-teen-picked-school-article-1.2980318

    "Tennessee pastor ties up and rapes teen he picked up outside her school."

    "HENDERSON, Tenn. — Police say a teacher's assistant and pr ...[text shortened]... he ideology toward women being
    propagated by white American Christian pastors like Mike Ulmer?
    He is teaching that people should rape young girls?
  3. Zugzwang
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    25 Feb '17 22:571 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    He is teaching that people should rape young girls?
    The Bible calls for women to be subservient to men.

    Timothy 2:11-12
    "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach
    or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet."

    Ephesians: 5:22
    Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord."

    The Bible approves of rape under some circumstances (such as of conquered women).

    Judges 5:30
    "They must be dividing the spoils they took: there must be a damsel or two for each man,
    Spoils of dyed cloth as Sisera’s spoil, an ornate shawl or two for me in the spoil."

    Zechariah 14:1-2
    "Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I
    will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses
    plundered, *women ravished*; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the
    people shall not be removed from the city."

    Deuteronomy 21:10-14
    “When you go out to war against your enemies and the Lord, your God, delivers them
    into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the
    captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may
    take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head
    and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father
    and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her
    husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you
    shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her,
    since she was married to you under compulsion.

    To sum up, the Bible can promote a 'rape culture', making it easier to victimize women and girls.
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    26 Feb '17 01:141 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Mike Ulmer, a white American Christian pastor, has been charged with
    rape or sexual assault against two girls so far.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/pastor-ties-rapes-teen-picked-school-article-1.2980318

    "Tennessee pastor ties up and rapes teen he picked up outside her school."

    "HENDERSON, Tenn. — Police say a teacher's assistant and pr ...[text shortened]... he ideology toward women being
    propagated by white American Christian pastors like Mike Ulmer?
    Duchess is here to remind of us that only white males commit crimes, or are guilty of wrongdoing. We're supposed to ignore crimes committed by everyone else. 🙄
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    26 Feb '17 01:211 edit
    Originally posted by mchill
    Duchess is here to remind of us that only white males commit crimes, or are guilty of wrongdoing. We're supposed to ignore crimes committed by everyone else. 🙄
    D is also here to tell us what the Bible means and what it means to be a Christian.


    D is so much smarter than anyone and knows everything. I am so glad we have D to tell us what ro believe.

    Who needs the media to tell us exactly what to think?
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    26 Feb '17 01:461 edit
    I just love Duchess logic.

    Ephesians: 5:22
    Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord."

    Equals

    The Bible approves of rape under some circumstances (such as of conquered women).

    Hilarious.

    However, you would never catch Duchess make a post about Muslims taking women sex slaves or an honor killing or a woman in Sharia court not being able to take the witness stand because her testimony does not equal that of a mans.

    The elephant in the room that Duchy refuses to admit is, the vast majority, if not all, Christians condemn the actions of the said pastor, if that is really what happened. However, many in Islam don't condemn such honor killings and, in fact pretty much all of them would agree with treating women as second class citizens in a court of law and within society.

    Duchess will go to her grave thinking that white male Christians are what is wrong with this world.
  7. Standard memberfinnegan
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    26 Feb '17 10:53
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/25/far-right-polish-priest-jacek-miedlar-detained-at-stansted-airport
    ...
    A notorious Polish priest accused of spreading antisemitism and Islamophobia has been detained by UK authorities hours before he was due to address a far-right rally in Shropshire.
    ...
    Maciek has stated that he accepted Britain First’s invitation to speak in Shropshire in a move to “pool our strength to rebuild a Christian Europe”.
    ...
    Międlar was “exceptionally” strident when delivering his hate-filled speeches and that news of his detention had triggered headlines throughout the country’s mainstream media. He said: “He’s exceptional in terms of the intensity of his hatred, which is a core part of his message.”
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    26 Feb '17 11:561 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/25/far-right-polish-priest-jacek-miedlar-detained-at-stansted-airport
    ...
    A notorious Polish priest accused of spreading antisemitism and Islamophobia has been detained by UK authorities hours before he was due to address a far-right rally in Shropshire.
    ...
    Maciek has stated that he accepted Britain First’s in ...[text shortened]... “He’s exceptional in terms of the intensity of his hatred, which is a core part of his message.”
    A Jew hater in Europe? What are the odds of that?

    Meanwhile in the rest of the world.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/honor-killing-in-trinidad-teen-muslima-murdered-for-being-seen-with-non-muslim-man

    Islamic law forbids Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, although it allows Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women. The idea is that the Muslim community is always expanding, while the non-Muslim community is always in decline.



    Muslims commit 91 percent of honor killings worldwide. A manual of Islamic law certified as a reliable guide to Sunni orthodoxy by Al-Azhar, the most respected authority in Sunni Islam, says that “retaliation is obligatory against anyone who kills a human being purely intentionally and without right.” However, “not subject to retaliation” is “a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring’s offspring.” (‘Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2). In other words, someone who kills his child incurs no legal penalty under Islamic law. In this case the victim was the murderer’s daughter, a victim to the culture of violence and intimidation that such laws help create.

    The Palestinian Authority gives pardons or suspended sentences for honor murders. Iraqi women have asked for tougher sentences for Islamic honor murderers, who get off lightly now. Syria in 2009 scrapped a law limiting the length of sentences for honor killings, but “the new law says a man can still benefit from extenuating circumstances in crimes of passion or honour ‘provided he serves a prison term of no less than two years in the case of killing.’” And in 2003 the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. Al-Jazeera reported that “Islamists and conservatives said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values.”

    Until the encouragement Islamic law gives to honor killing is acknowledged and confronted, more women will suffer.
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    26 Feb '17 12:003 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The Bible calls for women to be subservient to men.

    Timothy 2:11-12
    "Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach
    or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet."

    Ephesians: 5:22
    Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord."

    The Bible approves of rape under some circumstances ( ...[text shortened]... o sum up, the Bible can promote a 'rape culture', making it easier to victimize women and girls.
    How are we to reconcile the following to your claim that the Bible promotes a rape culture?

    Do not severely criticize an older man. On the contrary, appeal to him as a father, to younger men as brothers, to older women as mothers, to younger women as sisters, with all chasteness. 1 Timothy 5:1

    Husbands, continue loving your wives, just as the Christ also loved the congregation and gave himself up for it. Ephesians 5:25

    In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. A man who loves his wife loves himself, for no man ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cherishes it, just as the Christ does the congregation. Ephesians 5:28
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    26 Feb '17 12:02
    Originally posted by whodey
    A Jew hater in Europe? What are the odds of that?

    Meanwhile in the rest of the world.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/honor-killing-in-trinidad-teen-muslima-murdered-for-being-seen-with-non-muslim-man

    Islamic law forbids Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, although it allows Muslim men to marry non-Muslim women. The idea is that the Muslim com ...[text shortened]... ement Islamic law gives to honor killing is acknowledged and confronted, more women will suffer.
    the lefties love Islam you canny tell them otherwise.
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    26 Feb '17 12:101 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    the lefties love Islam you canny tell them otherwise.
    Stories like this and not a peep from them.

    Odd isn't it?

    No Christian advocates what this "white male Christian" did to these girls, but many Muslims advocate honor killings openly.

    Perhaps this "white Christian male" needs to move to Saudi Arabia and convert to Islam where he can do his thing legally and without any condemnation from Duchess.
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    26 Feb '17 12:131 edit
    This video of Bill Maher being interviewed with Charlie Rose about sums up what I'm saying.

    YouTube

    Does the Duchess or Finny think Bill Maher is a right wing bigot?
  13. Zugzwang
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    26 Feb '17 21:233 edits
    Originally posted by mchill
    Duchess is here to remind of us that only white males commit crimes, or are guilty of wrongdoing.
    We're supposed to ignore crimes committed by everyone else. 🙄
    The lying racist troll Mchill shows ihs solidarity with his fellow lying racist trolls Eladar and Whodey.
    Mchill apparently has demanded that racist crimes by white men be censored and ignored.
    Shouldn't Mchill contribute to Adam Purinton's legal defense fund?
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