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  1. Subscribermoonbus
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    14 Jan '21 12:19
    @suzianne said
    Real men don't feel the need to sexually assault women.
    Or brag about grabbing them by the pussy.
  2. Zugzwang
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    14 Jan '21 12:42
    @suzianne said
    Real men don't feel the need to sexually assault women.
    To be realistic, many men have grown up in cultures (which may be changing) where
    it was considered acceptable (or 'manly' ) to force themselves upon women and girls.
    I suspect that many 'respectable' men have such experiences in their pasts.

    At age 16, I (still so innocent) went alone to meet someone in authority.
    As soon as the door was closed, he was physically all over me, forcing his attentions upon me.
    I suspect that many girls have experienced something similar at least once.
  3. Subscriberkevcvs57
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    14 Jan '21 13:551 edit
    @duchess64 said
    Kevcvs57 replied to Rajk999.

    _Come On Shore and We Will Kill and Eat You All_ by Christina Thompson

    Christina Thompson was a white American woman from a privileged affluent background,
    studying for a PhD in Australia. (She now is a dual citizen of the USA and Australia.)
    She went on holiday to New Zealand. On the evening before she was scheduled
    to leave, she me ...[text shortened]... her for marrying so far 'beneath' her.
    But she did not care about that and her marriage has lasted.
    Good for her. She’s better off without the friends that shunned her, they are the embarrassment.
  4. Zugzwang
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    14 Jan '21 14:363 edits
    @kevcvs57 said
    Good for her. She’s better off without the friends that shunned her, they are the embarrassment.
    In depiction of English class barriers, there's a trope about an outsider, say, a
    rare working-class student who goes up to Oxbridge and dines at high table.
    There's the ignorance of tribal customs, the anxiety of not fitting in and being found out.

    When Christina Thompson introduced her Maori husband to privileged white people,
    there often seemed to be the shock of 'How could you? You could have done better',
    meaning that an attractive affluent white woman was bound to have at least one
    affluent white man in pursuit of her. What could she see in her husband?
    He lacked her money and education. But he was honest, strong, hard-working, and loving.
    He comported himself with a natural dignity among white people who might privately sneer at him.
    Some privileged white people might 'forgive' (which was unthinkable in the recent past)
    Christina Thompson for taking him into her bed, but to wed?

    During the Second World War, China sent some airmen to the USA to be trained
    to fly American aircraft. One Chinese pilot met and married a white woman, a
    'Southern belle', presumably in a US state that allowed such interracial marriages.
    After the war, sometimes she would push a pram carrying their child around their
    otherwise all-white neighborhood. Curious onlookers assumed that the child must
    be an adopted orphan from the Korean War. This led to 'interesting' conversations.
    (X is another white American woman neighbor.)

    X: Oh, what a cute baby! Could you be its mom?
    S: Yes, I am.
    X: I see, may I pet it?
    S: OK.
    X: (Assuming there was an adoption process). How long did it take you to get it?
    S: Oh, the usual time.
    X: Which was?
    S: About nine months.
    X: Oh, really? Why did it take so long? With so many orphans over there waiting
    to come here, I thought the government could streamline the paperwork by now.
    S: There may be a misunderstanding here. My child is not an orphan.
    X: Of course not, not now. You and your husband are so kind to give the little thing a home!
    S: Not at all. It was the least that we could do.
    X: It looks so Oriental. Won't that be a problem when it goes to school here?
    S: I hope not. My child's not conscious yet of appearing different from most people here.
    X: You mean that there could be other Orientals around in our neighborhood?
    S: Yes, I have reason to believe that may be true.
    X: Wait a minute! The baby looks Oriental and, uh, how did you get it,, really?
    S: (smiling) The traditional natural way. It took about nine months.
    X: So you mean that you did ... (speechless)
    S: Yes, and I enjoyed it too!
    X: How could you?!

    After that child grew up, he wrote a memoir about his family.
  5. SubscriberVery Rusty
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    16 Jan '21 18:09
    Who is the most masculine US President ever?

    I was going to say Jimmy Carter as a joke, but you seem like a serious bunch in here! πŸ˜‰

    -VR
  6. Zugzwang
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    @very-rusty said
    Who is the most masculine US President ever?

    I was going to say Jimmy Carter as a joke, but you seem like a serious bunch in here! πŸ˜‰

    -VR
    "I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times."
    --Jimmy Carter (1976, interview with 'Playboy' magazine)

    He surely sounds masculine to me.
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    @Duchess64

    The old rogue!

    Think his anatomical knowledge is out though. Surely he means 'in my HEAD'? Or another part of his body, but surely not 'heart'
  8. Zugzwang
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    @blood-on-the-tracks said
    @Duchess64

    The old rogue!

    Think his anatomical knowledge is out though. Surely he means 'in my HEAD'? Or another part of his body, but surely not 'heart'
    Blood-on-the-Tracks shows ignorance of the Biblical context.

    Here's an extended quote:
    ""I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times.
    This is something God recognizes I will do -- and I have done it -- and God forgives me for it."
    --Jimmy Carter (1976, interview with 'Playboy' magazine)

    Carter was alluding to this:
    “I tell you that anyone who looks on a woman with lust in his heart has already committed adultery.”
    --Matthew 5:28
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    @Duchess64

    Well, not one for the scriptures, but it would appear he got that wrong as well!

    Good research

    edit...Was the 'ignorance' edit addition really necessary?
  10. Zugzwang
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    @blood-on-the-tracks said
    @Duchess64

    Well, not one for the scriptures, but it would appear he got that wrong as well!

    Good research
    Jimmy Carter's a devout Southern Baptist, who has long taught Sunday school.
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    @blood-on-the-tracks said
    edit...Was the 'ignorance' edit addition really necessary?
    Always.
  12. SubscriberVery Rusty
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    @moonbus said
    Or brag about grabbing them by the pussy.
    True moonbus, yet 52% of the women population still voted for the Trumpster!

    At least those were the numbers given back in 2016.

    -VR
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    @duchess64 said
    "I've looked on a lot of women with lust. I've committed adultery in my heart many times."
    --Jimmy Carter (1976, interview with 'Playboy' magazine)

    He surely sounds masculine to me.
    The thumb down is not from me, but I guess we all have our own minds on what makes a masculine man. I wouldn't put Jimmy Carter at the top of the list personally.

    -VR
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    17 Jan '21 15:11
    Andrew Jackson was the most masculine POTUS. He was brave and had firm resolve. He was famous for his many duels. It doesn't get more masculine than that.
  15. Zugzwang
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    @blood-on-the-tracks said
    @Duchess64

    Well, not one for the scriptures, but it would appear he got that wrong as well!

    Good research

    edit...Was the 'ignorance' edit addition really necessary?
    An exhibition of extreme ignorance may warrant pointing out explicitly.

    "Think his anatomical knowledge is out though. Surely he means 'in my HEAD'?
    Or another part of his body, but surely not 'heart'"
    --Blood on the Tracks

    Note that Blood on the Tracks made the ludicrous claim that Jimmy Carter
    (a married man and father) was ignorant of the basic mechanisms of sex.

    Blood on the Tracks failed to comprehend that when Carter spoke about 'committing
    adultery in (his) heart', he obviously was referring to the spiritual, not the physical.
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