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  1. Standard member Fetchmyjunk
    Garbage disposal
    10 Nov '16 03:57 / 2 edits
    Since I live in the middle-east I found this piece written by an Arab quite interesting. Any thoughts?

    It’s not that we see Trump any differently. Trump is a egotistical racist misogynist who, in a rational world, shouldn’t be in any position of power. Then again, neither should Hillary Clinton.
    We watched from afar (as ‘afar’ as the internet allows anyhow) as the 2016 presidential campaign rolled on, and, at first, we wanted Bernie Sanders to win, and were very glad to see just how much support he managed to get, but then, Bernie did two Very Bad Things; he said he was okay with Obama’s Blacklist and his usage of drone strikes, and he said that he’d support Clinton if he didn’t get the nomination. Some people held on to Bernie, but for us, for me, that was it. Bernie might still have claimed to be ‘better’, but he certainly couldn’t claim to be ‘good’.
    We also watched the political establishment ignore Bernie and shove Clinton ahead of the ‘socialist’. We watched as even people like John Oliver and the entire cast of Saturday Night Live attacked Trump viciously and tried to pave the way to a Clinton victory. Oliver even took it upon himself to attack and ridicule minor candidates like Stein & Johnson, but not Clinton. We watched as so-called liberals and so-called democrats made Clinton out to be a hero. We watched as all those people bent over backwards and pretended that Clinton was one of the good guys, because they felt compelled to pick between the ‘lesser of two evils’.
    It was pathetic.
    There’s a bit of fatality involved here to be sure, and a deep level of cynicism. Many of us feel that if America could not choose the best option, then it deserved the worst. Also, there’s a harsh desire for rough truth, rather than hypocritical garnish. In a sense, most Americans are Trump, but many of them like to think of themselves as closer in character to who Clinton (falsely) claims to be; liberal, democratic, leftist, humane, charitable, kind. There are some who faced the facts honestly, and admitted that, for all intents and purposes, Clinton was a criminal and a manipulator, who plays ball with the worst human rights offenders on the planet (Saudi Arabia and Israel, for example) and relies on their financial and political support, that she, when promising to continue Obama’s legacy, is in fact, promising to kill another 4,000 innocent Pakistanis by drone strikes in an illegal attempt to murder untried ‘terrorists’. That this is a woman for whom Madeline Albright is a role model, and Kissinger is an icon, a woman who started out Republican before swapping sides and acting as though she were a Democrat, most likely because she realized that, as a woman, she could go farther as a Democrat. This is a liar who claims to have been dodging sniper fire in a foreign land when she was being greeted with flowers.
    Throughout the campaign, Clinton supporters have turned a blind eye to her failings. Somehow they were more horrified by what Trump may do than what Clinton already has done.
    So yeah, we weren’t very excited about a Clinton victory. Nothing would change. America would continue to think itself a progressive democracy, that voted in first a black man, and then a woman. The demon would continue to wear a passable face, remain…presentable.
    We do not think Trump is any better, but we think a Trump victory would force the USA to admit to what it has become, and would allow other countries around the world to react appropriately now that the cover has been blown.
    JFK out on a good mask, but behind the mask, he was a lying adulterer who was the first to recognize Israel and lifted the weapons embargo on it, allowing the US to supply Israel with the weapons used against Palestinians. The so-called ‘Special Relationship’ between the USA and Israel began with JFK. His smile and charm, however, make people, even in the Arab world, look back on him with fondness. Bill Clinton was the same, all charm and smiles, while he signed off on the use of military force against Americans on American soil (in Waco), and pushed the Palestinians through Oslo, and then later, in his impeachment hearings, pretended the word ‘is’ was ambiguous. The Bill Clinton I remember was an arrogant liar and a murderer, not a charming man at all. The latest in this series of supposed good guys is Obama, proudly black, but closer to what Malcolm X referred to as a ‘house nigger’. Obama did not stop the war machine, and did not close down Guantanamo. Drone usage during Obama’s time has gone up exponentially, but…he performs beautifully; he cries when school shootings take place, he laughs at himself with an anger translating sketch, he dances and raps to your pleasure, he seems cool and laid back, a great dad, a fun guy.
    To tens of thousands of Pakistanis though, Obama is nothing but a cold blooded murderer. To Egyptians he is just another in a long line of US presidents who support a military dictatorship, supplying it with money and weapons. To people in Yemen (the poorest Arab country), he is the man who has helped supply Saudi Arabia (ostensibly the most fascist country on Earth) with more than $100 billion in weapons with which they have destroyed Yemen. To millions of people around the world he is a bomb that happens to have a smile painted on it.
    And now, finally, rather than suffer the pretense of progress under a female president, America has voted for Trump.
    Good.
    Lay bare the racism, lay bare the arrogance, lay bare the lies and the brutalities.
    Face yourselves, see yourselves, and then maybe, maybe, things will change…
  2. 10 Nov '16 12:50
    Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
    Since I live in the middle-east I found this piece written by an Arab quite interesting. Any thoughts?

    It’s not that we see Trump any differently. Trump is a egotistical racist misogynist who, in a rational world, shouldn’t be in any position of power. Then again, neither should Hillary Clinton.
    We watched from afar (as ‘afar’ as the internet allows ...[text shortened]... nd the brutalities.
    Face yourselves, see yourselves, and then maybe, maybe, things will change…
    Time will tell, but I don't think Trump will continue to drone people around the world. If he does, his very supporters will turn on him.
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    10 Nov '16 13:18
    Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
    Since I live in the middle-east I found this piece written by an Arab quite interesting. Any thoughts?

    It’s not that we see Trump any differently. Trump is a egotistical racist misogynist who, in a rational world, shouldn’t be in any position of power. Then again, neither should Hillary Clinton.
    We watched from afar (as ‘afar’ as the internet allows ...[text shortened]... nd the brutalities.
    Face yourselves, see yourselves, and then maybe, maybe, things will change…
    Arabs "tsk"ing about American racism and misogynism is good for a laugh or two, but that's about it.
  4. 10 Nov '16 13:21
    Originally posted by sh76
    Arabs "tsk"ing about American racism and misogynism is good for a laugh or two, but that's about it.
    Well they do say they will use our womens birth canal to bring forth the soldiers that will destroy us.
  5. 10 Nov '16 21:47
    Originally posted by sh76 to Fetchmyjunk
    Arabs "tsk"ing about American racism and misogynism is good for a laugh or two, but that's about it.
    As a supporter of Israel, Sh76 cherishes his negative stereotypes of Arabs.
    But I know some Arab men who are less racist and less sexist than Sh76 himself.
  6. 10 Nov '16 21:50
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    As a supporter of Israel, Sh76 cherishes his negative stereotypes of Arabs.
    But I know some Arab men who are less racist and less sexist than Sh76 himself.
    There are a few good ones to be sure. We can agree on that Duchess.
  7. 10 Nov '16 22:24
    President Hillary Clinton would have been a known predicable supporter of Israel.
    President Donald Trump will be less known in his views and seems less predictable.
    Although there's no known reason to expect President Trump to have sympathy for
    the Palestinians, there's a possibility that he might consider a change in US policy.
  8. 10 Nov '16 22:25
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    President Hillary Clinton would have been a known predicable supporter of Israel.
    President Donald Trump will be less known in his views and seems less predictable.
    Although there's no known reason to expect President Trump to have sympathy for
    the Palestinians, there's a possibility that he might consider a change in US policy.
    He better stop the droning!!! If he doesn't he will have tipped his hand.
  9. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    11 Nov '16 00:03
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    He better stop the droning!!! If he doesn't he will have tipped his hand.
    Wonder how he feels about the unconditional £38bn in military aid to Israel in exchange for not an awful lot.
  10. Standard member vivify
    rain
    11 Nov '16 00:11
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Wonder how he feels about the unconditional £38bn in military aid to Israel in exchange for not an awful lot.
    If he's as conservative as he's been letting on, he's quite happy with it.
  11. 11 Nov '16 00:16
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Wonder how he feels about the unconditional £38bn in military aid to Israel in exchange for not an awful lot.
    I would hope he will get that little leach of a country off our arses. Give Israel California and tell them to move there or defend yourselves. The whole religious thing really is their thing. If that is where they want to be then let them live with the consequnces of their decision.
  12. 11 Nov '16 00:54
    Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
    Since I live in the middle-east I found this piece written by an Arab quite interesting. Any thoughts?

    It’s not that we see Trump any differently. Trump is a egotistical racist misogynist who, in a rational world, shouldn’t be in any position of power. Then again, neither should Hillary Clinton.
    We watched from afar (as ‘afar’ as the internet allows ...[text shortened]... nd the brutalities.
    Face yourselves, see yourselves, and then maybe, maybe, things will change…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex9ldUHSgjs

    Check this video out. It pretty well shoots your theory to chit. It should make everyone happy we got trump.