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    28 Sep '18 00:08
    He should have said it happened and his and her recollection are different.
    Instead, he looks like a liar.
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    28 Sep '18 00:42
    Originally posted by @loudog
    He should have said it happened and his and her recollection are different.
    Instead, he looks like a liar.
    Not only that but attacking a female senator when she said did you ever drink so much you couldn't remember the next day or words to that effect, he goes, "Well did YOU?
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    28 Sep '18 03:16
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Not only that but attacking a female senator when she said did you ever drink so much you couldn't remember the next day or words to that effect, he goes, "Well did YOU?
    Did she answer?
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    28 Sep '18 04:44
    Because it didn't.
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    28 Sep '18 10:20
    She was believable. The incident is believable. I don't think he was trying to rape her. He was an inebriated young man. She went to the party and went upstairs on her own. Stuff happens at parties when you go upstairs. Guys and girls try/attempt, to get together.
    Her perception and his perception could be different.
    All that being said, it sure as heck happened. It makes him look like a liar.
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    28 Sep '18 11:23
    Originally posted by @loudog
    She was believable. The incident is believable. I don't think he was trying to rape her. He was an inebriated young man. She went to the party and went upstairs on her own. Stuff happens at parties when you go upstairs. Guys and girls try/attempt, to get together.
    Her perception and his perception could be different.
    All that being said, it sure as heck happened. It makes him look like a liar.
    "I don't think he was trying to rape her. "
    based on what do you make that claim?

    "He was an inebriated young man"
    yeah, it's not his fault. poor guy

    "She went to the party and went upstairs on her own. "
    YEAH!! she shouldn't have went to the party. since she did, she shouldn't have went upstairs. because it's on always on the victim to make sure she isn't in a position where she is left with someone she doesn't know, who might be drunk or not, doesn't know will rape her or not.

    it's on the victim , not on the man.

    "Stuff happens at parties when you go upstairs. "
    Whether the victim wants to or not. It's preposterous to think she might have simply wanted to talk away from the noise and nothing more. Walking up those stairs is a binding contract to be at the disposal of the stronger party.
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    28 Sep '18 13:19
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    "I don't think he was trying to rape her. "
    based on what do you make that claim?

    "He was an inebriated young man"
    yeah, it's not his fault. poor guy

    "She went to the party and went upstairs on her own. "
    YEAH!! she shouldn't have went to the party. since she did, she shouldn't have went upstairs. because it's on always on the victim to make sure ...[text shortened]... more. Walking up those stairs is a binding contract to be at the disposal of the stronger party.
    Anyone who's ever witnessed the results of a battered, abused or raped person would not make light of it.

    It happens. It's evil. It's always horrendous.
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    28 Sep '18 14:47
    Originally posted by @loudog
    She was believable. The incident is believable. I don't think he was trying to rape her. He was an inebriated young man. She went to the party and went upstairs on her own. Stuff happens at parties when you go upstairs. Guys and girls try/attempt, to get together.
    Her perception and his perception could be different.
    All that being said, it sure as heck happened. It makes him look like a liar.
    She is a liar. She said she was afraid of flying after flying on vacation to Hawaii, Costa Rica and a pacific island.

    She has exposed herself as manipulative.
    Since when did liars gain credibility?
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    28 Sep '18 15:10
    Originally posted by @loudog
    He should have said it happened and his and her recollection are different.
    Instead, he looks like a liar.
    it makes no difference they (including the good doctor) are all corrupt.
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    28 Sep '18 19:41
    You are not wrong on any of your points. I was just illustrating how poor his defense is. He could have went the route I'm suggesting and I would have believed him. Sometimes after 37 yrs perceptions could be different. That all being said...he was there and he did it. He looks like a liar
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    28 Sep '18 19:523 edits
    Originally posted by @loudog
    She was believable. The incident is believable. I don't think he was trying to rape her. He was an inebriated young man. She went to the party and went upstairs on her own. Stuff happens at parties when you go upstairs. Guys and girls try/attempt, to get together.
    Her perception and his perception could be different.
    All that being said, it sure as heck happened. It makes him look like a liar.
    Loudog has made misleading or absurd claims, showing the influence of sexist rape myths.

    "She [Christine Blasey] went to the party..."
    --Loudog

    She testified that it was a 'gathering', not yet a 'party'..

    "...and went upstairs on her own."
    --Loudog

    She went upstairs to use the bathroom. Then she was forcibly pushed into a bedroom,
    and the door was locked.

    "Stuff happens at parties when you go upstairs."
    --Louddog

    Some of this 'stuff', such as rape or sexual assault, are crimes.

    "I don't think he was trying to rape her."
    --Loudog

    Does Loudog believe that Brett Kavanaugh sincerely believed Christine Blasey was consenting to sexual intercourse?

    "Guys and girls try/attempt, to get together."
    --Loudog

    Does Loudog believe that Christine Blasey (age 15) intended to lose her virginity with
    the drunken Brett Kavanaugh, who was not her boyfriend, no more than an acquaintance?

    "Her perception and his perception could be different."
    --Loudog

    Let's see. A girl's (age 15) forcibly pushed into a bedroom and thrown down upon the bed.
    A young man (age 17) gets on top of her and starts humping her, while attempting to disrobe her.
    When she attempts to scream, he clamps his hand over her mouth. She's afraid for her life.
    Why should she NOT perceive that his intent was to have sexual intercourse with her?
    And, without her consent, that would be rape.
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    28 Sep '18 20:05
    You are right on every point. His defense smells of old cheese. He did it.
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    28 Sep '18 20:541 edit
    The Republicans have several kinds of defenses of Brett Kavanaugh.

    1) Accusing Christine Blasey Ford of lying when no one ever attempted to rape her.
    The problem with it is that she appeared very credible (except to the most prejudiced) in her testimony.
    Even President Trump dared not accuse her of fabricating her accusation out of thin air.

    2) Attempting to discredit Christine Blasey Ford as a paid political operative or a manipulated political pawn.
    This was the thrust of the Republican prosecutor. But the Republican investigators have
    been unable to discover any record of her political activism. And it's hard to believe (though
    Brett Kavanaugh has clearly implied it) that sinister political agents have somehow manipulated
    Christine Blasey Ford (a highly educated woman) into giving false testimony under oath.
    There's no known 'money trail', no sudden large deposit to her secret Swiss bank account.

    3) Mistaken identity, claiming that Christine Blasey Ford was the victim of another young man.
    A pro-Republican operative was recently compelled to apologize after falsely accusing a supposed Kavanaugh look-alike.
    Reportedly, Republican investigators have found more than one man now willing to 'confess'
    (protected by the statute of limitations?) to sexually assaulting Christine Blasey in 1982.
    These alternative suspects are not credible.

    4) Procedural arguments that, in effect, hold that the process is more important than the truth.
    Republicans have loved to argue that, on account of Democratic malfeasance, Christine
    Blassey Ford's evidence, even if accepted as factually accurate, should receive little consideration.
    It's never too late to put a lying would-put rapist on the Supreme Court if his accuser(s)
    did not 'cross every t and dot every i' in official forms before an arbitrary deadline!

    The Brett Kavanaugh confirmation is almost completely about nothing more or less than a political power play.
    When the Republicans have enough power, they intend to use it to their maximum advantage.
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