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  1. Standard memberfinnegan
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    31 Aug '17 09:42
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-floods-bangladesh-nepal-deaths-millions-homeless-latest-news-updates-a7919006.html

    At least 1,200 people have been killed and millions have been left homeless following devastating floods that have hit India, Bangladesh and Nepal, in one of the worst flooding disasters to have affected the region in years.

    International aid agencies said thousands of villages have been cut off by flooding with people being deprived of food and clean water for days.

    South Asia suffers from frequent flooding during the monsoon season, which lasts from June to September, but authorities have said this year's floods have been much worse.

    ...

    In the northern state of Uttar Pradesh, reports said more than 100 people had died and 2.5 million have been affected.

    In Mumbai, authorities struggled to evacuate people living in the financial capital's low-lying areas as transport links were paralysed and downpours led to water rising up to five feet in some parts of the city.

    Weather officials are forecasting heavy rains to continue over the next 24 hours and have urged people to stay indoors.

    In neighbouring Bangladesh, at least 134 have died in monsoon flooding which is believed to have submerged at least a third of the country.

    More than 600,000 hectares of farmland have been partially damaged and in excess of 10,000 hectares have been completely washed away, according to the disaster minister.

    Bangladesh's economy is dependent on farming and the country lost around a million tonnes of rice in flash floods in April.

    "Farmers are left with nothing, not event with clean drinking water," said Matthew Marek, the head of disaster response in Bangladesh for the International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent.

    In Nepal, 150 people have been killed and 90,000 homes have been destroyed in what the UN has called the worst flooding incident in the country in a decade.

    According to the Red Cross, at least 7.1 million people have been affected in Bangladesh - more than the population of Scotland - and around 1.4 million people have been affected in Nepal.
  2. Standard memberfinnegan
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    31 Aug '17 10:15
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    You see there is no such thing as a natural disaster. Human settlement is largely concentrated on the coastlines and the faultlines of our planet. That is where the natural resources are to sustain civilised life. We are far more vulnerable to events like this than people seem to appreciate. What makes us vulnerable especially is the way we organise ou ...[text shortened]... ..You guys have been just too complacent in the belief that the poor will do your dying for you.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/everyones-a-socialist-after-a-natural-disaster/

    You know the old saying: There are no atheists in foxholes. I’ve got a new one: We’re all socialists after a natural disaster. Even Texas Senator Ted Cruz. The hypocrite who tried to block Hurricane Sandy aid to the East Coast in 2012 is now demanding the federal government expedite emergency funds for the survivors of Hurricane Harvey along the Gulf Coast of Texas, and in Houston, the nation’s fourth-largest city. East Coast Democrats are happy to help, though New Jersey Governor Chris Christie tried to renew his relevance by beefing with his party mate over his Sandy selfishness. The Washington Post gave Cruz three Pinocchios for claiming on Monday that he blocked Sandy aid only because it was larded with pork. It was not. But even in a disaster, Cruz can’t help lying.

    Driving to Austin in March, I saw the way Houston emerges from the bayou—and then goes on and on, for what feels like forever. So much building, and so much water, even in dry times. This petrochemical-industry capital is built on land that is almost guaranteed to flood with regularity. With its lack of zoning laws and bias toward development, Houston is a monument to unfettered capitalism. Unfettered capitalism backed by government-backed flood insurance, that is—privatizing profit, socializing risk. But it’s also a multiracial metropolis led by a black mayor and a Latino police chief, with an insurgent progressive movement that elected a progressive Harris County district attorney just last year. We can see the best and the worst of the country in microcosm, and so far, the best is winning. With or without the “leadership” of President Trump...

    ...I’ve found myself wondering if this will change Houston demographically the way Katrina changed New Orleans. Houston was one of the few progressive success stories from last November, with a strong movement on the ground and genuine organizing that’s changed the power structure. Will some of Houston’s low-income residents wind up scattered to distant Texas cities and unable to return? We won’t know that for a while. All we know right now is that a great American city is asking for, and getting, the support of state, local, and federal government, along with the kindness of neighbors to accomplish an unprecedented rescue operation. The entire Gulf storm has claimed only nineteen lives so far. These multiracial rescue teams, whether they’re government responders or volunteers, show us living up to our highest values. Air Force One took off after a two-hour visit, and Texas went back to work
  3. Standard membersh76
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    31 Aug '17 12:23
    Evacuating a city like Houston is impossible. There are too many people. The infrastructure isn't equipped to handle transportation of that number of people. Plus, many of them would have nowhere to go.

    Sure if you know in advance precisely where the hardest hit areas will be, you can evacuate some neighborhoods, but you don't know.

    As for the insensitive a-holes laughing about "Republicans" suffering, of course, the most basic knowledge of American politics makes it obvious that most of the sufferers of virtually any massive city catastrophe are likely to be minorities, who largely support Democrats. Not that it matters - human suffering is bad regardless of their political tendencies - but it just makes the irony that much richer.
  4. Standard memberfinnegan
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    31 Aug '17 13:051 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Evacuating a city like Houston is impossible. There are too many people. The infrastructure isn't equipped to handle transportation of that number of people. Plus, many of them would have nowhere to go.

    Sure if you know in advance precisely where the hardest hit areas will be, you can evacuate some neighborhoods, but you don't know.

    As for the insensitiv ...[text shortened]... is bad regardless of their political tendencies - but it just makes the irony that much richer.
    You will notice that my post preceding yours specifically identifies the Democrats and the progressive people who are making Houston's rescue operation happen, while nevertheless highlighting the hypocrisy and self serving lies of the Republicans and (although you have to read the link to find this - I did not cut and paste the whole article) the Trump administration. My latest post also specifically identified the prospect that the poor of the community would be those least likely to emerge well from this man made disaster.

    Your comment on the infrastructure also confirms what my posts are reminding you. This area is already known to be prone to flood and it is the job of regulators to ensure that it is not unduly vulnerable. Nobody can prevent nature taking its course - but they can build their infrastructure to take account of the known natural risks such as flooding.

    Compare preparation for earthquakes if you want a model. Nobody knows when the next San Fancisco earthquake will come - but everyone knows it is coming.

    I await your howls of concern and solidarity on behalf of the flood victims in Bangladesh and India.
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    31 Aug '17 15:06
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    [b]You will notice that my post preceding yours specifically identifies the Democrats and the progressive people who are making Houston's rescue operation happen,
    Really?

    Last I checked there were a great variety of religious organizations devoting their time and money to helping these victims as well. In fact, I've heard of many stories about businesses and churches opening their doors to victims.

    Naturally, the media only focuses on stories such as one particular mega church called Lakewood that did not open their doors.

    Ok, not back to self important narcissistic Progressive arrogance. Sorry for the interruption.
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    31 Aug '17 17:482 edits
    Originally posted by @finnegan to Sh76
    You will notice that my post preceding yours specifically identifies the Democrats and the progressive people who are making Houston's rescue operation happen, while nevertheless highlighting the hypocrisy and self serving lies of the Republicans and (although you have to read the link to find this - I did not cut and paste the whole article) the T ...[text shortened]... ait your howls of concern and solidarity on behalf of the flood victims in Bangladesh and India.
    "I await your howls of concern and solidarity on behalf of the flood victims in Bangladesh and India."
    --Finnegan (to Sh76)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_China_floods

    "Since June 29 [2017], several regions in South China suffered heavy rainfall.
    According to the Ministry of Civil Affairs, 9.564 million people from 238 county level
    administrations are affected, and 48 deaths ending the morning of July 3."

    I expect most, if not all, Westerners here to be completely indifferent to this event.
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    31 Aug '17 19:00
    I'm completely indifferent to the Texas situation.
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    31 Aug '17 19:02
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/slideshow/amp/floods-mudslides-hit-peru-displacing-tens-thousands-n739846

    Mudslides have struck across the Andean nation where dozens have been killed and many of the hardest hit are those who can least afford it.
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    31 Aug '17 19:07
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Evacuating a city like Houston is impossible. There are too many people. The infrastructure isn't equipped to handle transportation of that number of people. Plus, many of them would have nowhere to go.

    Sure if you know in advance precisely where the hardest hit areas will be, you can evacuate some neighborhoods, but you don't know.

    As for the insensitiv ...[text shortened]... is bad regardless of their political tendencies - but it just makes the irony that much richer.
    "The most basic knowledge of American politics makes it obvious that most of the
    sufferers of virtually any massive city catastrophe are likely to be minorities ..."
    --Sh76

    Is Sh76 conceding that American politicians tend to care less about minorities (non-white people)?

    For whatever it's worth, regarding Houston's demographics:
    "According to the 2010 U.S. Census, whites made up 51% of Houston's population;
    26% of the total population was non-Hispanic Whites. Blacks or African Americans made up
    25% of Houston's population. American Indians made up 0.7% of the population. Asians made up 6%."
    --Wikipedia
  10. Zugzwang
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    01 Sep '17 01:29
    Originally posted by @Finnegan to Sh76
    You will notice that my post preceding yours specifically identifies the Democrats and the progressive people who are making Houston's rescue operation happen, while nevertheless highlighting the hypocrisy and self serving lies of the Republicans and (although you have to read the link to find this - I did not cut and paste the whole article) the T ...[text shortened]... ait your howls of concern and solidarity on behalf of the flood victims in Bangladesh and India.
    "I await your howls of concern and solidarity on behalf of the flood victims in Bangladesh and India."
    --Finnegan (to Sh76)

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/india-floods-bangladesh-nepal-deaths-millions-homeless-latest-news-updates-a7919006.html

    "Floods in India, Bangladesh and Nepal kill 1,200 and leave millions homeless.
    Authorities say monsoon flooding is one of the worst in region in years "
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    01 Sep '17 01:45
    https://www.indy100.com/article/donald-trump-supporters-barak-obama-hurricane-katrina-victims-2005-7920026?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

    "Trump supporters are attacking Obama for not helping Hurricane Katrina victims. There’s just one problem."

    George W Bush, not Barack Obama, was US President at the time of Hurricane Katrina.
    But when has complete ignorance of the facts ever stopped supporters of Donald Trump?
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    01 Sep '17 01:491 edit
    https://www.indy100.com/article/ann-coluter-hurrican-harvey-more-likely-lesbian-mayor-climate-change-7919856?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

    "More likely a lesbian caused Hurricane Harvey than climate change, says right-wing commentator."

    "I don't believe Hurricane Harvey is God's punishment for Houston electing a lesbian mayor.
    But that is more credible than "climate change.""
    --Ann Coulter

    "Annise Parker was one of the first openly gay mayors in a major US city, and served from 2010 – 2016."

    So God waited until a lesbian mayor had left office before punishing Houston with a hurricane. (sarcasm)
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    02 Sep '17 05:39
    Originally posted by @finnegan

    You are a humourless troll.

    That I find no humour in your post gloating over the suffering and death of innocent people is a reflection of my values and something to be proud of.

    That your stated intent was to offend, however unsuccessful, makes you the troll here.

    That you resort to the oldest most cliche' diversion known to internet message boards is an indication of your imagination. (i.e. in a thread that discusses evacuation in the face of a specific hurricane in a specific locale you try to one-up it with a post about a flood in another part of the world. [even D64 parodies you])

    You want to start a thread about evacuating India or Bangladesh, start another thread. Anyone with an ounce of insight sees all the way through you.
  14. Standard memberfinnegan
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    02 Sep '17 08:52
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    That I find no humour in your post gloating over the suffering and death of innocent people is a reflection of my values and something to be proud of.

    That your stated intent was to offend, however unsuccessful, makes you the troll here.

    That you resort to the oldest most cliche' diversion known to internet message boards is an indication of your imagi ...[text shortened]... Bangladesh, start another thread. Anyone with an ounce of insight sees all the way through you.
    Sanctimonious twaddle from someone too thick to notice when you are making a fool of yourself.

    http://www.guacamoley.com/covfefe/2017/09/01/Z486Bm/twitter-tears-presdent-trump-apart-fo?utm_content=inf_11_3742_2&tse_id=INF_6797beb08ef111e7a7253d7eefa2109b

    When Donald and Melania Trump visited Texas on Tuesday to witness the effects of Hurricane Harvey, the president was widely criticized for not actually meeting with any victims of the storm or touring any of the damage.

    Yet in a tweet he posted on Wednesday, Trump claimed that he had experienced the "horror & devastation" of Harvey "first hand."


    The Twitter responses mock Turmp for being a total fraud, not the victims of the flood, and they are very funny. Have a read.
  15. Standard memberfinnegan
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    02 Sep '17 12:441 edit
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    That I find no humour in your post gloating over the suffering and death of innocent people is a reflection of my values and something to be proud of.

    That your stated intent was to offend, however unsuccessful, makes you the troll here.

    That you resort to the oldest most cliche' diversion known to internet message boards is an indication of your imagi ...[text shortened]... Bangladesh, start another thread. Anyone with an ounce of insight sees all the way through you.
    Let's have you thoughful insights into the likely follow up to this man made chaos. Here's some food to help with what passes for thought in your oddball world.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/31/real-villains-harvey-flood-urban-sprawl?CMP=fb_gu

    It describes the planning disaster that made this one both predictable and in fact predicted. It identifies the morons who will be in charge of any recovery plan.

    Houston has quietly become our fourth largest and fastest-growing city, due in large part to cheap housing. But the latter has come at an exorbitant cost to its safety. The swamps and wetlands that once characterized Houston’s hinterland have been replaced with strip malls and suburban tract homes.

    Those landscapes once served as a natural flood protection system for the city. Research shows that, if they hadn’t been filled and developed, Harvey’s impact would have been lessened. Sam Brody and his colleagues at Texas A&M University in Galveston have been predicting an event like this for nearly a decade. That their work went unheeded by Texas policymakers should not be forgotten.

    Worse, a generation of civic leaders have completely deregulated Houston’s land development market. In that process, they helped build a far-flung network of poor neighborhoods on top of a swamp. In Houston, there is a simple truth: the poorer you are, the closer you live to a petrochemical plant and the likelier your home is to flood."

    ... Texas Land Commissioner, George P Bush’s failings. As head of the General Land Office, Bush holds a unique and singular power to plan, engineer, and manage the Texas coastline.

    But nearly a decade after Hurricane Ike – which hit the city eight years ago – and nearly three years since his election, there’s scant evidence that Bush has done anything to secure Texas’s coastal cities against the threat posed by climate change.

    In fact, he’s yet to fully spend the more than $3bn allocated to the General Land Office after Ike. Given that Bush is likely to lead the Harvey recovery, it’s fair for us to question whether or not he’s up to the task.

    The question that he and every Houstonian must ponder now is how their recovery can be better than those that followed Ike and Katrina."


    It is impossible for Texans to prevent these events because they are pig ignorant about Nature, ignore experts, refuse to control development and cannot embrace the responsibillities of central and local governments.
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