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  1. Standard memberfinnegan
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    01 Sep '17 08:51
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/robert-mueller-eliminates-trumps-trump-card.html

    Looks like the lawyers are closing in on Trump and his backers.
    it turns out that there is a flaw in Trump’s strategy. The presidential pardon only applies to federal crimes. As NBC reported last night, it is possible for state governments to press charges in some of the alleged crimes committed by Trump’s cronies. “You would have to find that one of those [election] crimes occurred in New York,” Jennifer Rodgers, a former federal prosecutor, told NBC. Of course, some of the alleged crimes almost certainly did take place in New York. And sure enough, Josh Dawsey reports, Mueller is teaming up with New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman. “One of the people familiar with progress on the case said both Mueller’s and Schneiderman’s teams have collected evidence on financial crimes, including potential money laundering,” he notes.

    Trump can pardon anybody facing charges from Mueller, but not from Schneiderman.
  2. SubscriberSuzianne
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    01 Sep '17 10:29
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/robert-mueller-eliminates-trumps-trump-card.html

    Looks like the lawyers are closing in on Trump and his backers.
    it turns out that there is a flaw in Trump’s strategy. The presidential pardon only applies to federal crimes. As NBC reported last night, it is possible for state governments to press char ...[text shortened]... tes.

    Trump can pardon anybody facing charges from Mueller, but not from Schneiderman.
    A little light at the end of the tunnel. It's about time.
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    01 Sep '17 11:50
    Well Trump is Hitler incarnate, so how could anything he do or say be Constitutional?
  4. Standard memberfinnegan
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    01 Sep '17 12:49
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Well Trump is Hitler incarnate, so how could anything he do or say be Constitutional?
    "I resign" might be constitutional.
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    01 Sep '17 13:12
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    "I resign" might be constitutional.
    Hitler resign?
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    01 Sep '17 16:28
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Hitler resign?
    You think that is relevant? Why?
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    01 Sep '17 16:511 edit
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    You think that is relevant? Why?
    The thought of Hitler resigning from power is pretty funny don't ya think? 😵

    You do think Trump is Hitler, right? 😠
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    01 Sep '17 20:301 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    The thought of Hitler resigning from power is pretty funny don't ya think? 😵

    You do think Trump is Hitler, right? 😠
    No, he's just a run-of-the-mill big-mouth fascist who loves the sound of his own voice.

    Hitler had way more charisma.
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    01 Sep '17 22:14
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    A little light at the end of the tunnel. It's about time.
    I'm just guessing, but I think Donald Trump and his associates are in a lot more trouble here than many suspect, and there will be a much more "light at the end of the tunnel" when Mr. Mueller gets through with them!
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    01 Sep '17 22:54
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    No, he's just a run-of-the-mill big-mouth fascist who loves the sound of his own voice.

    Hitler had way more charisma.
    Hitler also was an ardent socialist that invested in infrastructure and hated capitalism.

    We love Hitler, don't we Suzy.
  11. Standard memberfinnegan
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    01 Sep '17 23:05
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Hitler also was an ardent socialist that invested in infrastructure and hated capitalism.

    We love Hitler, don't we Suzy.
    Hilter did not hate capitalism, which did very well under his regime. Indeed, American corporations had big investments in Germany and the numbers tatooed on the arms of prisoners (to keep this understated) were part of a contract with IBM to help track people through the prison camp system. It was trades unions and socialists he hated, sending them to prisons and concentration camps, while he gave capitalists a supply of slave labour that the USA is only just catching up on (again).
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    01 Sep '17 23:08
    Originally posted by @whodey to Suzianne
    Hitler also was an ardent socialist that invested in infrastructure and hated capitalism.

    We love Hitler, don't we Suzy.
    I posted this about one day ago in another thread:

    Some extreme right-wing Americans here (particularly Normbenign and Whodey) like to
    deny that Hitler was right-wing, absurdly insisting that he was left-wing.

    https://www.indy100.com/article/nazi-socialist-right-wing-white-supremacists-history-twitter-mikestuchbery-7900001?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100

    "Man says Nazis were socialist, gets schooled by history writer"

    "'Nazi' is the short name. The full name for the 'Nazi' party was the "National Socialist
    German Workers' Party" ("Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei" in German).

    The fact that the far-right party contained 'socialist' in the name was a rebranding gambit
    to draw workers away from communism and into populist nationalism.

    Despite this, the populist nationalists that support the likes of Donald Trump, regularly
    take the opportunity to remind modern day liberal or left-leaning critics of white-supremacists
    and neo-nazis that 'Socialism' was included in the Nazi party name."
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