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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    03 Dec '15 14:02
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/03/the-one-sentence-that-shows-how-worried-senate-republicans-are-about-donald-trump/

    I still don't think it will happen, but if Trump does win the nomination, I'd say the odds of him winning the general are in single digits. I also think that the odds of the Republicans keeping the Senate shrink from well over 50% to maybe 25%.

    I also think the fracture caused by such an anti-establishment candidate has a chance to fracture the party so that the Tea Party wing and the moderate wing finally make a complete break. The moderates will then be free to aim for the mass of centrists who lean Dem because they're repulsed by the TP.

    Hmmm. Might actually be a good thing in the long run.
  2. 03 Dec '15 14:12
    With the way the US is coming apart at the seams I can't see any GOP candidate losing.

    What we have now are leaders who think that higher energy prices is the answer to terrorism.
  3. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    03 Dec '15 14:22 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/03/the-one-sentence-that-shows-how-worried-senate-republicans-are-about-donald-trump/

    I still don't think it will happen, but if Trump does win the nomination, I'd say the odds of him winning the general are in single digits. I also think that the odds of the Republicans keeping the Senate shrink from we ...[text shortened]... Dem because they're repulsed by the TP.

    Hmmm. Might actually be a good thing in the long run.
    How can you say such a thing about a fellow New Yorker? Look on the bright side...at least he's entertaining. Admit it, reading about The Donald verbally slamming almost everyone on the planet (except himself) is more fun than another Kardashian story.
  4. 03 Dec '15 14:27
    Originally posted by bill718
    How can you say such a thing about a fellow New Yorker? Look on the bright side...at least he's entertaining. Admit it, reading about The Donald verbally slamming almost everyone on the planet (except himself) is more fun than another Kardashian story.
    I predict that if Hillary does win, it will further radicalize the populace.

    It might be Ted Cruz's ticket to the White House.
  5. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    03 Dec '15 14:29
    Originally posted by bill718
    How can you say such a thing about a fellow New Yorker? Look on the bright side...at least he's entertaining. Admit it, reading about The Donald verbally slamming almost everyone on the planet (except himself) is more fun than another Kardashian story.
    Yeah, I'd vote for Trump for cable news commentator.

    Problem is, that's not what he's running for.
  6. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    03 Dec '15 15:52 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Yeah, I'd vote for Trump for cable news commentator.

    Problem is, that's not what he's running for.
    I think the crippling is complete.

    I'm curious though. What will you do if faced with a Trump/Hillary choice? They're both disasters IMO.

    What will you do if faced with a Cruz/Hillary choice? I'd go with Cruz, but I'm not sure about you.
  7. 03 Dec '15 15:54
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/03/the-one-sentence-that-shows-how-worried-senate-republicans-are-about-donald-trump/

    I still don't think it will happen, but if Trump does win the nomination, I'd say the odds of him winning the general are in single digits. I also think that the odds of the Republicans keeping the Senate shrink from we ...[text shortened]... Dem because they're repulsed by the TP.

    Hmmm. Might actually be a good thing in the long run.
    Seems like you like the idea of a candidate being "selected" in a smoke filled back room, instead of in primary elections. If Trump is so selected, I see it as the will of Republican primary voters.

    Equating Trump to the TEA party is altogether false. The TEA party, although seemingly losing its steam, originally was what the Republican party stood for, not the so called mainstream which has become Democrat lite.

    Trump is hardly ideologically pure, but I can accept that if a majority of primary voters do.
  8. 03 Dec '15 15:55
    It would be a great thing for the US if we had a party that was actually pro-American and pro-Constitution. Northeastern type Republicans leaving the party would be a nice step in that direction. All Socialists who hate what the Constitution actually says should be concentrated on the Democrat party. If that happened, the True American Democrats might actually leave their party.
  9. 03 Dec '15 15:56
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    I think the crippling is complete.

    I'm curious though. What will you do if faced with a Trump/Hillary choice? They're both disasters IMO.

    What will you do if faced with a Cruz/Hillary choice? I'd go with Cruz, but I'm not sure about you.
    I'd vote for the man in the moon vs. Hillary.

    I think I prefer Cruz over Trump, but not by much.
  10. 03 Dec '15 15:58
    Originally posted by whodey
    I predict that if Hillary does win, it will further radicalize the populace.

    It might be Ted Cruz's ticket to the White House.
    I hope I'm right. I didn't think that Hillary could be nominated. I still don't think she is electable. Who is it that wants that screaming witch with her finger on the button.
  11. 03 Dec '15 16:16
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/03/the-one-sentence-that-shows-how-worried-senate-republicans-are-about-donald-trump/

    I still don't think it will happen, but if Trump does win the nomination, I'd say the odds of him winning the general are in single digits. I also think that the odds of the Republicans keeping the Senate shrink from we ...[text shortened]... Dem because they're repulsed by the TP.

    Hmmm. Might actually be a good thing in the long run.
    Its baffling to me where you come up with this stuff.
    According to a recent poll I believe in Iowa,Trump is getting support from the moderates and more liberals of the GOP like yourself.
    Ted Cruz on the other hand is getting the support of the tea party and very conservative wing of the party.
    I do agree Trump will not win the nomination and I predict he will go 3rd party causing a disaster for this nation by putting another Clinton in the white house .
  12. 03 Dec '15 16:24
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Its baffling to me where you come up with this stuff.
    According to a recent poll I believe in Iowa,Trump is getting support from the moderates and more liberals of the GOP like yourself.
    Ted Cruz on the other hand is getting the support of the tea party and very conservative wing of the party.
    I do agree Trump will not win the nomination and I pred ...[text shortened]... go 3rd party causing a disaster for this nation by putting another Clinton in the white house .
    A third party run by a centrist like Trump, might not be the melt down of the GOP as has often been suggested. What if the vote for Trump came equally from the left and right, creating a real three way race?

    Trump's weakness in my book is his centrism, some of his policy suggestions are left of Democrat's. We'll see. I don't actually know if he can win the nomination. Most thought he'd be gone already.
  13. 03 Dec '15 17:07
    Originally posted by normbenign
    A third party run by a centrist like Trump, might not be the melt down of the GOP as has often been suggested. What if the vote for Trump came equally from the left and right, creating a real three way race?

    Trump's weakness in my book is his centrism, some of his policy suggestions are left of Democrat's. We'll see. I don't actually know if he can win the nomination. Most thought he'd be gone already.
    The "melt down " in the GOP is already happening. It because of the RINO's progressive Republicans. McCain, Boehner, McConell , etc.
    At its core the Republicans are conservative. The so called establishment/leadership is not. That's the problem.
    Ted Cruz is the most Reagan like candidate on the stage.
    I know you are old enough to remember the way Reagan was treated by the establishment when challenging Ford. He was talked about vilified in the press by the likes of George Will and others and by his own party, Bush, Rockefeller ,etc in the same manner because he was an outsider, A conservative. And turned out to be one of our best Presidents.
    These RINO's need to just switch to the Democratic {now progressive} party and be done with it. They are no different.
  14. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    03 Dec '15 17:10 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    I think the crippling is complete.

    I'm curious though. What will you do if faced with a Trump/Hillary choice? They're both disasters IMO.

    What will you do if faced with a Cruz/Hillary choice? I'd go with Cruz, but I'm not sure about you.
    Trump-Hillary: I will vote for a third party

    Cruz-Hillary: I'm undecided. I have to listen to Cruz carefully for a while before I decide between Cruz and a third party.

    It's not that I think Hillary is so extreme politically. I think she's probably fairly moderate like Bill. I just think she'll say absolutely anything and has few or no fixed positions other than that she's in favor of winning and against losing. I just don't believe in a word that she says. That's the major reason I won't vote for her almost no matter what.
  15. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    03 Dec '15 17:13
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Its baffling to me where you come up with this stuff.
    According to a recent poll I believe in Iowa,Trump is getting support from the moderates and more liberals of the GOP like yourself.
    Ted Cruz on the other hand is getting the support of the tea party and very conservative wing of the party.
    I do agree Trump will not win the nomination and I pred ...[text shortened]... go 3rd party causing a disaster for this nation by putting another Clinton in the white house .
    Trump's support is from the angry reactionaries. Sure, some of Trump's positions are (or have been) relatively liberal, but his positions are almost irrelevant. People who like Trump are angry reactionaries and so they support the angry reactionary.