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  1. 24 Feb '17 16:35
    http://www.westernjournalism.com/american-champion-skips-chess-tournament-rather-than-wear-hijab/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=THENewVoiceEmail&utm_campaign=can&utm_content=2017-02-23

    A woman has been denied entering a chess tournament in Iran because she refused to wear a hijab.
  2. 24 Feb '17 17:02
    There was a thread about it already.

    Pretty stupid to deny entry to someone because they refuse to wear a stupid piece of cloth on their head.
    Pretty stupid to not go to a chess tournament you would have otherwise enjoyed because you refuse to wear a stupid piece of cloth on your head.
  3. 24 Feb '17 17:08
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    There was a thread about it already.

    Pretty stupid to deny entry to someone because they refuse to wear a stupid piece of cloth on their head.
    Pretty stupid to not go to a chess tournament you would have otherwise enjoyed because you refuse to wear a stupid piece of cloth on your head.
    Pretty stupid for FIDE to hold the tournament in a place that would require women to submit to a religious dress code. Is FIDE a religious organization?
  4. 24 Feb '17 17:12
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Pretty stupid for FIDE to hold the tournament in a place that would require women to submit to a religious dress code. Is FIDE a religious organization?
    Should FIDE hold all its tournaments in (for example) the Netherlands because of laws forbidding people (for instance in many U.S. states) to participate in chess tournaments naked elsewhere?
  5. 24 Feb '17 17:17
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Should FIDE hold all its tournaments in (for example) the Netherlands because of laws forbidding people (for instance in many U.S. states) to participate in chess tournaments naked elsewhere?
    If FIDE wants to force people to be naked to play or always allow people to be naked, sure.

    I don't think that fits in the dress code

    https://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/7064-fide-dress-code-policy.html
  6. 24 Feb '17 17:24
    Originally posted by Eladar
    If FIDE wants to force people to be naked to play or always allow people to be naked, sure.

    I don't think that fits in the dress code

    https://www.fide.com/component/content/article/1-fide-news/7064-fide-dress-code-policy.html
    FIDE (complying with local laws) forces players to wear clothes in many areas where public nudity is forbidden.

    Should FIDE stop organizing tournaments in such places?
  7. 24 Feb '17 17:30
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    FIDE (complying with local laws) forces players to wear clothes in many areas where public nudity is forbidden.

    Should FIDE stop organizing tournaments in such places?
    Did you read the dress policy? Where did it say so that they comply with local laws. They have clothing requirements much more formal than local laws.

    You are just making things up when you say complying with local laws.
  8. 24 Feb '17 17:31
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    There was a thread about it already.

    Pretty stupid to deny entry to someone because they refuse to wear a stupid piece of cloth on their head.
    Pretty stupid to not go to a chess tournament you would have otherwise enjoyed because you refuse to wear a stupid piece of cloth on your head.
    You have to start change somewhere. Well done to her.
  9. 24 Feb '17 17:31 / 1 edit
    So far the verdict is:

    1. Stupid Islamic rules
    2. Stupid Chess Federation
    3. Stupid thread, already done.

    Any others?

    Is this female oppression?
  10. 24 Feb '17 17:37
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Did you read the dress policy? Where did it say so that they comply with local laws. They have clothing requirements much more formal than local laws.

    You are just making things up when you say complying with local laws.
    Right. So, to recap: you support FIDE's arbitrary dress code but you oppose FIDE's arbitrary dress code changed to comply with local laws where the tournament is held.

    Why isn't the self-important chess player cited in the OP complaining about (for example) not being able to play in shorts during warm weather? Could it be that it's because she - like you - is a hypocrite complaining about stupid dress code rule A but not about stupid dress code rules B, C and D?
  11. 24 Feb '17 17:43
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Right. So, to recap: you support FIDE's arbitrary dress code but you oppose FIDE's arbitrary dress code changed to comply with local laws where the tournament is held.

    Why isn't the self-important chess player cited in the OP complaining about (for example) not being able to play in shorts during warm weather? Could it be that it's because she - like ...[text shortened]... ite complaining about stupid dress code rule A but not about stupid dress code rules B, C and D?
    When you join FIDE, you know the dress code. You expect to be able to participate in FIDE events under FIDE dress code.

    Seems to me that if the country in question does not comply with FIDE dress code, then FIDE should not schedule events in that country.
  12. 24 Feb '17 17:45
    Originally posted by Eladar
    When you join FIDE, you know the dress code. You expect to be able to participate in FIDE events under FIDE dress code.

    Seems to me that if the country in question does not comply with FIDE dress code, then FIDE should not schedule events in that country.
    Yes but Islam is never wrong. Everyone else are bigots.
  13. 24 Feb '17 18:06
    Originally posted by Eladar
    When you join FIDE, you know the dress code. You expect to be able to participate in FIDE events under FIDE dress code.

    Seems to me that if the country in question does not comply with FIDE dress code, then FIDE should not schedule events in that country.
    Evidently FIDE did not consider the visibility of hair critical when it comes to playing chess.
  14. 24 Feb '17 18:47
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Evidently FIDE did not consider the visibility of hair critical when it comes to playing chess.
    I'm sure that's the way you see it. Others view it as FIDE being OK with having one country force its religious dress on FIDE female chess players.

    Of course if a woman does not wish to comply with Iran's religious dress requirement for women, then of course she need not compete.
  15. 24 Feb '17 19:04
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I'm sure that's the way you see it. Others view it as FIDE being OK with having one country force its religious dress on FIDE female chess players.

    Of course if a woman does not wish to comply with Iran's religious dress requirement for women, then of course she need not compete.
    I believe the term is "misogynistic"