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  1. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 Jan '10 03:10
    Which technological innovations helped the Axis and which hurt?

    Giant Battleships (hurt almost definitely)
    Giant Tanks (hurt almost definitely)
    Long Range Strategic Rockets (hurt probably)
    Jets (helped)
    Railway Guns (unsure)
    Personal Automatic Weapons (helped)

    Etc
  2. 07 Jan '10 03:13 / 1 edit
    panzerfaust (Hurt)
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 Jan '10 03:16
    Originally posted by EmLasker
    panzerfaust (Hurt)
    The original Bazooka/RPG? Why do you think inventing this hurt the Axis?
  4. 07 Jan '10 03:18
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    The original Bazooka/RPG? Why do you think inventing this hurt the Axis?
    didn't it backfired?

    Soviet made a copy of them and used it to beat the panzers

    not an expert on WWII.
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 Jan '10 03:21
    Originally posted by EmLasker
    didn't it backfired?

    Soviet made a copy of them and used it to beat the panzers

    not an expert on WWII.
    Oh I see. Because the Germans had a tank-heavy army, inventing anti-tank weapons just hurt them when they got reverse engineered.

    Interesting perspective.
  6. 07 Jan '10 03:22
    I'm not too interested in the Germans, but how did Soviet Union lost to Finland in Winter Wars?
  7. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 Jan '10 03:23 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by EmLasker
    I'm not too interested in the Germans, but how did Soviet Union lost to Finland in Winter Wars?
    Molotov Cocktails to set the tanks on fire...that's all I remember.

    There's also the natural weakness of the ruthless dictator - Stalin had purged the Red Army of competent leaders because they might challenge him.
  8. 07 Jan '10 03:42
    I really liked the Soviet bombers.
  9. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    07 Jan '10 04:09 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Which technological innovations helped the Axis and which hurt?

    Giant Battleships (hurt almost definitely)
    Giant Tanks (hurt almost definitely)
    Long Range Strategic Rockets (hurt probably)
    Jets (helped)
    Railway Guns (unsure)
    Personal Automatic Weapons (helped)

    Etc
    ===Giant Battleships (hurt almost definitely)===

    Borderline irrelevant. Carriers were the truly relevant ships.

    ===Giant Tanks (hurt almost definitely)===

    Only because the Russians built gianter tanks


    ===Long Range Strategic Rockets (hurt probably)===

    Probably irrelevant. Maybe it hurt Germany because they spent too much time and effort developing these and they turned out to be irrelevant.

    ===Jets (helped)===

    Why did this help the axis? The German planes that did the most damage early in the war, the stukas, were not jets.

    ===Railway Guns (unsure)===

    Not a WWII innovation. Used in WWI

    ===Personal Automatic Weapons (helped)===

    Helped the allies just as much
  10. 07 Jan '10 04:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Which technological innovations helped the Axis and which hurt?

    Giant Battleships (hurt almost definitely)
    Giant Tanks (hurt almost definitely)
    Long Range Strategic Rockets (hurt probably)
    Jets (helped)
    Railway Guns (unsure)
    Personal Automatic Weapons (helped)

    Etc
    Farfurnugen (hurt)
  11. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    07 Jan '10 04:37
    Originally posted by sh76
    ===Giant Battleships (hurt almost definitely)===

    Borderline irrelevant. Carriers were the truly relevant ships.

    ===Giant Tanks (hurt almost definitely)===

    Only because the Russians built gianter tanks


    ===Long Range Strategic Rockets (hurt probably)===

    Probably irrelevant. Maybe it hurt Germany because they spent too much time and effort develop ...[text shortened]... ion. Used in WWI

    ===Personal Automatic Weapons (helped)===

    Helped the allies just as much
    Railway guns were used in WWII. Anzio Annie for example. Although they were developed in WWI.
  12. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    07 Jan '10 04:40
    Originally posted by EmLasker
    I'm not too interested in the Germans, but how did Soviet Union lost to Finland in Winter Wars?
    The Soviets didn't lose. Despite taking heavy casualties, they won in the end. They finally breached the Mannerheim Line and Finland surrendered.
  13. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    07 Jan '10 04:42
    Originally posted by EmLasker
    I really liked the Soviet bombers.
    What? The Sturmovik IL-2?
  14. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    07 Jan '10 04:47
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Railway guns were used in WWII. Anzio Annie for example. Although they were developed in WWI.
    Yes, and uniforms were used in WWII as well. That does not make them a WWII innovation.
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    07 Jan '10 05:20 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    ===Giant Battleships (hurt almost definitely)===

    Borderline irrelevant. Carriers were the truly relevant ships.

    ===Giant Tanks (hurt almost definitely)===

    Only because the Russians built gianter tanks


    ===Long Range Strategic Rockets (hurt probably)===

    Probably irrelevant. Maybe it hurt Germany because they spent too much time and effort develop ...[text shortened]... ion. Used in WWI

    ===Personal Automatic Weapons (helped)===

    Helped the allies just as much
    The Germans had lots of SMGs and they invented one of the earliest (if not THE earliest) assault rifles. They had the advantage there.

    The Russians did not build bigger tanks.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panzer_VIII_Maus

    There were even bigger ones on the drawing board...tanks and self propelled artillery the size of battleships.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1500_Monster
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landkreuzer_P._1000_Ratte

    The Stukas were extremely specialized and their lack of flexibility hurt the Germans later on.