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  1. Zugzwang
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    15 Oct '18 19:55
    @mchill said
    So when I write a balanced nuanced criticism (often quoting some white Americans) of American racism, many, if not most, white Americans here (being stupid and prejudiced) love to 'reply' while clinging tightly to heir cherished meme of 'Duchess64 hates all white people'

    A "balanced" nuanced criticism normally contains an acknowledgment of the positive and negative aspects ...[text shortened]... your cherished little comment about most of us being stupid and prejudiced is remarkably consistent.
    It would be superfluous for me to add to the chorus by white men here (whose
    voices dominate this forum) lauding white men as being superior to everyone else.

    I prefer to write that I suspect that most readers here don't already know or believe.
  2. Zugzwang
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    15 Oct '18 19:56
    @quackquack said
    The broad consensus among the voting public is determined by elections. Everything else is simply b.s.
    (Quackquack replied to KazetNagorra.)

    Does the hypocritical Quackquack prefer to ignore the fact that Donald Trump
    LOST to Hillary Clinton in the popular vote in the 2016 election?
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    15 Oct '18 20:151 edit
    @duchess64 said
    (Quackquack replied to KazetNagorra.)

    Does the hypocritical Quackquack prefer to ignore the fact that Donald Trump
    LOST to Hillary Clinton in the popular vote in the 2016 election?
    Does the ignorant Duchess realize that her point is completely irrelevant.
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    15 Oct '18 20:25
    @kazetnagorra said
    Again, I am not disputing that people make wrong decisions and often fail to follow good advice.

    Imagine that someone is attempting to perform brain surgery on themselves by continuously attempting to slam faeces into their skull. No matter how strongly they might believe that this is an appropriate way to perform brain surgery, they are still better off going to a specialist to have it performed.
    Voting isn't brain surgery. The only person who is an expert on what is better for themselves is the individual. It is why we let people vote. People have their own conception of fairness and morals. They make their own choices on balances between efficiency and incentive. They make their own determination on how credible a politicians promises are and they decide how much joy or sorrow they would get from different occurrences. You may think someone would be better off in the lived in a different location, studied a different amount, chose a different career, supported a different cause. You might have data to back it up. They might want to go to a more expensive university or go the armed forces or listen to the church or take a job which has different expected cash flow then what you would advise. But science doesn't and shouldn't decide people's life choices even if you think you could live everyone's life better then the can.
  5. Zugzwang
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    15 Oct '18 20:36
    @quackquack said
    Does the ignorant Duchess realize that her point is irrelevant completely irrelevant.
    As I recall, the right-wing troll Quackquack (absurdly) argued that the democratic
    will of the majority of Americans is reflected more accurately and fairly by the
    Electoral College vote than the popular vote.
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    15 Oct '18 20:49
    @duchess64 said
    As I recall, the right-wing troll Quackquack (absurdly) argued that the democratic
    will of the majority of Americans is reflected more accurately and fairly by the
    Electoral College vote than the popular vote.
    The name calling Duchess is back to calling people names and misquoting them.
    The electoral college is the system we use so any strategy that helps you win the electoral college even if you don't win the popular vote would be effective. There is value to the electoral college as a candidate needs to win the majority in a whole bunch of areas and thus have broad support and not just cater to high population states. As contentious as politics, the electoral college forces our elected leader to receive support in a different types of areas and that certainly is a good thing.
  7. Zugzwang
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    @quackquack said
    The name calling Duchess is back to calling people names and misquoting them.
    The electoral college is the system we use so any strategy that helps you win the electoral college even if you don't win the popular vote would be effective. There is value to the electoral college as a candidate needs to win the majority in a whole bunch of areas and thus have broad support a ...[text shortened]... elected leader to receive support in a different types of areas and that certainly is a good thing.
    My position is the US Electoral College is undemocratic and should be abolished.
    Quackquack disputed that, apparently arguing or implying that the Electoral College
    should be preserved and it helps make the USA superior to other democracies.

    Quackquack also seems to admire the fact that Wyoming (population 580,000)
    has the same representation in the Senate as California (population almost 40 million).
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    15 Oct '18 21:01
    @quackquack said
    Voting isn't brain surgery. The only person who is an expert on what is better for themselves is the individual. It is why we let people vote. People have their own conception of fairness and morals. They make their own choices on balances between efficiency and incentive. They make their own determination on how credible a politicians promises are and they deci ...[text shortened]... t decide people's life choices even if you think you could live everyone's life better then the can.
    Evaluating the consequences of a package of policies is far more complicated than brain surgery, although the consequences of a single incorrect vote are obviously less severe than an instance of failed brain surgery.

    Let's take a breather and think for a second about what you are saying here. In the last (more or less) fair elections in the Weimar Republic, the NSDAP gained approximately one third of the vote. Do you stand by your assessment that these voters knew better what is better for themselves than current experts on government policy?
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    15 Oct '18 21:102 edits
    @duchess64 said
    It would be superfluous for me to add to the chorus by white men here (whose
    voices dominate this forum) lauding white men as being superior to everyone else.

    I prefer to write that I suspect that most readers here don't already know or believe.
    So, you cannot bring yourself to say anything positive, no matter how minor, about white males. In other words, you prefer to remain UNBalanced.

    Got it
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    15 Oct '18 21:29
    @kazetnagorra said
    Evaluating the consequences of a package of policies is far more complicated than brain surgery, although the consequences of a single incorrect vote are obviously less severe than an instance of failed brain surgery.

    Let's take a breather and think for a second about what you are saying here. In the last (more or less) fair elections in the Weimar Republic, the NSDAP ...[text shortened]... at these voters knew better what is better for themselves than current experts on government policy?
    I have no idea why you think you are better qualified to determine what goals a person should have. Do you think you can determine who someone should marry? how many hours per week they should work? How many friends they should have? What meals they should have each day? Whether they should practice their religion? Voting is no different. People decide what is important to them and then cast a vote. You may sincerely believe that you can live your life better than most people and if anyone needs what you believe is the right answer you can share it with them. However, most people will decide for themselves and that is probably good because in a free society individuals decide via the ballot box what is best for them.
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    15 Oct '18 21:34
    @duchess64 said
    My position is the US Electoral College is undemocratic and should be abolished.
    Quackquack disputed that, apparently arguing or implying that the Electoral College
    should be preserved and it helps make the USA superior to other democracies.

    Quackquack also seems to admire the fact that Wyoming (population 580,000)
    has the same representation in the Senate as California (population almost 40 million).
    Perhaps taxes should be a flat fee and everyone should pay the same dollar amounts as their obligation to be to the collective government. Somehow you only feel things need to be equalized when it benefits the group you wish to benefit.
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    15 Oct '18 21:39
    @quackquack said
    I have no idea why you think you are better qualified to determine what goals a person should have. Do you think you can determine who someone should marry? how many hours per week they should work? How many friends they should have? What meals they should have each day? Whether they should practice their religion? Voting is no different. People decide what is imp ...[text shortened]... probably good because in a free society individuals decide via the ballot box what is best for them.
    I'm pretty sure I know better than the people who voted for the NSDAP.

    Don't you?
  13. Zugzwang
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    15 Oct '18 21:592 edits
    @mchill said
    So, you cannot bring yourself to say anything positive, no matter how minor, about white males. In other words, you prefer to remain UNBalanced.

    Got it
    "So, you cannot bring yourself to say anything positive, no matter how minor, about white males."
    --Mchill

    FALSE. The lying racist troll Mchill keeps blatantly lying as usual.

    In fact, I have made positive comments about some white men.
    For instance, I have praised Jamie Utt for attempting to comprehend racism and
    being ready to educate and criticize other white Americans about racism.

    It's rather hard to think of a positive comment that would apply to ALL white men (including Hitler etc.)
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    15 Oct '18 22:482 edits
    @duchess64 said
    "So, you cannot bring yourself to say anything positive, no matter how minor, about white males."
    --Mchill

    FALSE. The lying racist troll Mchill keeps blatantly lying as usual.

    In fact, I have made positive comments about some white men.
    For instance, I have praised Jamie Utt for attempting to comprehend racism and
    being ready to educate and criticize other white ...[text shortened]... rather hard to think of a positive comment that would apply to ALL white men (including Hitler etc.)
    FALSE. The lying racist troll Mchill keeps blatantly lying as usual.


    Duchess, rather than lashing out in anger at me, which seems to be your default mechanism when you're losing a debate, please try to follow your line of responses. You acknowledge that a "balanced" nuanced criticism normally contains an acknowledgment of the positive and negative aspects of one's subject, then you went on to say:

    It would be superfluous for me to add to the chorus by white men here (whose
    voices dominate this forum) lauding white men as being superior to everyone else.

    I wasn't asking you to say white men are superior, only that if you sincerely want to be fair and balanced, that something (or anything for that matter) of a positive trait must be included with the negative assessment. You concluded this to be "superfluous" and since you don't regard negative comments about white males to be superfluous, logically you cannot be fair and balanced. Someone of your superior mental gifts must surely be able to follow this.
  15. Zugzwang
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    15 Oct '18 22:582 edits
    @mchill said
    FALSE. The lying racist troll Mchill keeps blatantly lying as usual.

    Duchess, rather than lashing out in anger at me, which seems to be your default mechanism when you're losing a debate, please try to follow your line of responses. You acknowledge that a "balanced" nuanced criticism normally contains an acknowledgment of the positive and negative aspects of one's subject ...[text shortened]... nnot be fair and balanced. Someone of your superior mental gifts must surely be able to follow this.
    The lying racist troll Mchill has a continuing long record of shameless blatant lying to attack me.

    On countless occasions, I have carefully cited evidence of Mchill's blatant lying.
    Of course, Mchill pretends that none of that evidence exists and keeps shamelessly
    piling on his lies and diversionary insults in order to keep attacking me.

    Notwithstanding some superficial differences, Mchill seems to be about as deeply
    dishonest and racist as Donald Trump (who may agree with Mchill that white men
    are the most oppressed group in the USA). I would add that during the 2016 campaign
    and even early into 2017, Mchill wanted to give Donald Trump a year as President
    to implement his vision for the USA. (Mchill may prefer to lie about that now.)
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