I told these thoughts to a RHP friend who suggested I share it with you:
My father would feel very lost in this world - he was a man of honour, a handshake would do to close an agreement with reliable people. Money was meant to pay for necessary comfort. He was very proud when he bought his first brand new motorcycle BSA650, cash of course. My mother with 6 siblings lived with a widowed mother in the country, their father (my grandfather) had a small mill, no employees, and he was very kind and I doubt he got paid enough by the farmers nearby, everyone was poor. He died early from erysipelas, I am told. Both of my parents had a job, I have no siblings and we lived well. I can't believe how things have changed into this cynical, evil, money-loving, more or less corrupt world.
So different, not so long ago, during the 50-60's.
@Torunn saidYes, that is my era as well and you make a good point. I think what is going on is that in the 60s, the constraints that held people back from being crooked [mostly social norms, religion and fear of being an outcast], are dying away. People are now boasting and celebrating their differences some of which would have been considered evil 60 years ago.
I told these thoughts to a RHP friend who suggested I share it with you:
My father would feel very lost in this world - he was a man of honour, a handshake would do to close an agreement with reliable people. Money was meant to pay for necessary comfort. He was very proud when he bought his first brand new motorcycle BSA650, cash of course. My mother with 6 siblings lived w ...[text shortened]... vil, money-loving, more or less corrupt world.
So different, not so long ago, during the 50-60's.
The underlying core personality remains constant in my opinion, so there are still good people out there who would have been good long ago and remain good now.
@Torunn
Not many people in here could identify with that, Torunn. But if you're a 50s-60s type person, what you (and I) witnessed was the greatest generation of people the world/west ever saw, the WWII generation. God bless them
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@Earl-of-Trumps saidAnd then what? Too bad we don't have ancestor veneration in the West.
@Torunn
Not many people in here could identify with that, Torunn. But if you're a 50s-60s type person, what you (and I) witnessed was the greatest generation of people the world/west ever saw, the WWII generation. God bless them
@Torunn
That era and way of thinking is called Traditional Values.
Us Republicans get called racist colonizers because we have traditional values.
If you want to go back to that era or try to get that back then you need to stop listening to people like @suzianne @moonbus @AnyBritishPerson
@My-King-And-I saidWe can't go back to anything. Traditional values change because our societies change, we can't stop at any point just because we might want to. What I miss though is responsibility and consideration and that should apply everywhere - not just 'me' but 'us'.
@Torunn
That era and way of thinking is called Traditional Values.
Us Republicans get called racist colonizers because we have traditional values.
If you want to go back to that era or try to get that back then you need to stop listening to people like @suzianne @moonbus @AnyBritishPerson
I don't really understand the constant battle between Democrats and Republicans, and why it takes such proportions. Why not try to meet halfway? Your way of thinking makes people enemies and segregates them. Try to get over the differences.
@Torunn
Responsibility and consideration only works if all involved are responsible and considerate.
Caring about people who don't return the favor will accomplish nothing other than you getting used.
Would you feed a homeless person who keeps using your bushes as his toilet? Etc etc
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@Torunn saidWell said.👍 Like your grandfather did, we too need to be more helpful to the needy though some may consider that approach to be “leftist”.
We can't go back to anything. Traditional values change because our societies change, we can't stop at any point just because we might want to. What I miss though is responsibility and consideration and that should apply everywhere - not just 'me' but 'us'.
I don't really understand the constant battle between Democrats and Republicans, and why it takes such proportions. Wh ...[text shortened]... way? Your way of thinking makes people enemies and segregates them. Try to get over the differences.
@My-King-And-I saidWe are responsible for more than ourselves. If we get very sick or homeless there should be a safety net in our society with rules to regulate how that money is spent - responsibility. That could help us to get back again but not if we turn our backs - consideration.
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Responsibility and consideration only works if all involved are responsible and considerate.
Caring about people who don't return the favor will accomplish nothing other than you getting used.
Would you feed a homeless person who keeps using your bushes as his toilet? Etc etc
@Great-Big-Stees saidThe problem is people who think that way rarely spend their personal time and money actually helping the needy.
Well said.👍 Like your grandfather did, we too need to be more helpful to the needy though some may consider that approach to be “leftist”.
They think saying it and having the government spend the money is all that is required.
What if a drug addict thief never changes?
When do you stop wasting time and money on that person?
@Great-Big-Stees saidI would love to see a society consisting of enough intelligent people to reach an understanding why we have societies in the first place.
Well said.👍 Like your grandfather did, we too need to be more helpful to the needy though some may consider that approach to be “leftist”.
@Torunn saidAll civilized countries have programs in place to cover the bare necessities.
We are responsible for more than ourselves. If we get very sick or homeless there should be a safety net in our society with rules to regulate how that money is spent - responsibility. That could help us to get back again but not if we turn our backs - consideration.
Welfare, Shelters, Help etc.
That won't change regardless of who the people vote for.
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@My-King-And-I saidWell speaking personally I don’t fall into your, “the problem is” category. I do both because I am, fortunately, in a position where I can. Though far from “wealthy” I am “comfortable”. Yes there are some who fall into that category, life is like that. Thankfully we/our government here in Canada, does try to look after the less fortunate. Do they do enough? That’s a subject for another thread.
The problem is people who think that way rarely spend their personal time and money actually helping the needy.
They think saying it and having the government spend the money is all that is required.
What if a drug addict thief never changes?
When do you stop wasting time and money on that person?
@Great-Big-Stees saidIn a democracy we have our legal right to vote. That should be enough, no antagonism needed.
Well speaking personally I don’t fall into your, “the problem is” category. I do both because I am, fortunately, in a position where I can. Though far from “wealthy” I am “comfortable”. Yes there are some who fall into that category, life is like that. Thankfully we/our government here in Canada, does try to look after the less fortunate. Do they do enough? That’s a subject for another thread.