If you don't mind I was wondering if you could run a few of my games that I will now post through Fritz and post the matchup rates here. I just have a morbid curiosity and I want to see how brilliant my "brilliancies" really are.
Ok here is the first one a double muzio.
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.0-0 gxf3 6.Qxf3 Qf6 7.e5 Qxe5 8.Bxf7+ Kxf7 9.d4 Qxd4+ 10.Be3 Qf6 11.Bxf4 Ne7 12.Nc3 Bg7 13.Nd5 Nxd5 14.Qxd5+ Qe6 15.Bd2+ Kg8 16.Rae1 Qxd5 17.Re8+ Bf8 18.Bh6 Qd4+ 19.Kh1 Qg7 20.Rexf8+ Qxf8 21.Rxf8#
Here is the second its a queens gambit that I take out of book early on (I think...4.Qb3 isn't anywhere to be found in any books I have)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 4.Qb3(my idea was to hold off on e3 for now and wait for an opportunity to play e4 to open the game and then bring my bishop to c4 for a battery on the f7 square) Nf6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.Nf3 Be7 8.e4 0-0?(a bit inaccurate IMHO) 9.cxd5 exd5 10.exd5 Re8 11.Be2 Qg6?? (the losing move!) 12.Ne5 Qf6 13.d6 Bd8 14.0-0 Bb6? (he must not have counted the squares availabe for the Queen but there isn't anything much better) 15.Ne4 Qf4 16.g3 Rxe5 17.gxf4 Rxe4 18.Bc4(battery completed plan successful thanks to my opponent) 18...Be6 19.Rae1 Bxc4 20.Qxc4 Rxf4 21.Re8+ Kh7 22.Qd3+(going to swing my queen onto the e file and up to the e7 square because I see a juicy mating pattern with Qe2, Qe7, Qg8# and this move picks up a tempo in which to do that) g6 23.Qe2 Bxd4 24.Qe7 a5(no idea wtf he had planned there... Maybe he thought he was winning? Anyhow its a waste of a move and let's me play this beauty. Before going on I would encourage you to find the best move here. Remember that Qg8# is the goal.)
25.Re1!! Rxf2 26.Re4 Bc5 27.Qf8 Rf5+ 28.Re3! Bxe3+ 29.Kh1 Rf1+ 30.Kg2 Rf2+ 31.Kg3 Bf4+ 32.Kxf2 Resigns.
One more. I wanted to give this one its own post because it is my favorite.
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.e5 Nh5 5.d4 d6 6.Qe2 d5 17.c4 dxc4 8.Qxc4 g5 9.Qb3 g4 10.Bc4! Qe7 11.0-0!? 12.gxf3 Qxf3 Qd7 13.Kh1 Qxd4 14.Bxf7+! Kxf7 15.Qxh5+ Kg8 16.Rxf4 Qd7 17.Rxf8+ Kxf8 18.Bh6+ Ke7 19.Nc6 Qd3 20.Qg5+ Kd7 21.Qg7+ Kc6 22.Qf6+ Kc5 23.Qxh8 Bg4 24.Qf8+ Kc6 25.Qf6+ Kd7 26.Rd1!! Qxd1+ 27.Nxd1 b6 28.Qg7+ Kc6 29.Qxg4 30.Ne3 Nc6 31.e6 Rd8 32.Qg7 a5 33.Bf4 Rc8 34.Nd5 Nb4 35.Nxc7 Rd8 36.Nd5+ Ka6 37.e7 Rxd5 38.Qg4 Rc5 39.e8(Q) Nc6 40.Qge2+ b5 41.Qc8+ Kb6 42.Bc7+ Ka7 43.Qe3 Nb8 44.Qxc5+ Ka8 45.Qxb8#
No annotations on the first one because it was self explanitory and none on this one because Dragon Fire has already posted excellent annotations on this game.
Originally posted by tomtom232Regardless of the match-ups, I enjoyed your double Muzio!
If you don't mind I was wondering if you could run a few of my games that I will now post through Fritz and post the matchup rates here. I just have a morbid curiosity and I want to see how brilliant my "brilliancies" really are.
Ok here is the first one a double muzio.
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.0-0 gxf3 6.Qxf3 Qf6 7.e5 Qxe5 8.Bxf7+ Kxf7 ...[text shortened]... 26.Re4 Bc5 27.Qf8 Rf5+ 28.Re3! Bxe3+ 29.Kh1 Rf1+ 30.Kg2 Rf2+ 31.Kg3 Bf4+ 32.Kxf2 Resigns.
Originally posted by tomtom232This is the first game; the Muzio gambit.
If you don't mind I was wondering if you could run a few of my games that I will now post through Fritz and post the matchup rates here. I just have a morbid curiosity and I want to see how brilliant my "brilliancies" really are.
Ok here is the first one a double muzio.
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.0-0 gxf3 6.Qxf3 Qf6 7.e5 Qxe5 8.Bxf7+ Kxf7 26.Re4 Bc5 27.Qf8 Rf5+ 28.Re3! Bxe3+ 29.Kh1 Rf1+ 30.Kg2 Rf2+ 31.Kg3 Bf4+ 32.Kxf2 Resigns.
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5.
O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5 Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qf6 11. Bxf4
Ne7 12. Nc3 Bg7 13. Nd5 Nxd5 14. Qxd5+ Qe6 15. Bd2+ Kg8 {
Takes game out of book; Not in top 3. White now has mate in 12} 16. Rae1 {
1st choice} Qxd5 {Not in top 3. White now has mate in 5} 17. Re8+ {1st choice}
Bf8 {Only move} 18. Bh6 {1st choice} Qd4+ {1st choice} 19. Kh1 {1st choice} Qg7
{Not in top 3} 20. Rexf8+ {1st choice} Qxf8 {Only move} 21. Rxf8# {1st choice}
1-0
As you can see, the game is in book until 15...Kg8
15...Bf6 is Suc-Pott 2001 1/2
[Event "TE.2001.P.00704 email"]
[Site "IECG email"]
[Date "2001.05.20"]
[Round "0"]
[White "Suc,Timothy"]
[Black "Pott,Brian"]
[Result "1/2"]
[Eco "C37"]
1.e4 e5 2.f4 exf4 3.Nf3 g5 4.Bc4 g4 5.0-0 gxf3 6.Qxf3 Qf6 7.e5 Qxe5 8.Bxf7+ Kxf7
9.d4 Qxd4+ 10.Be3 Qf6 11.Bxf4 Bg7 12.Nc3 Ne7 13.Nd5 Nxd5 14.Qxd5+ Qe6 15.Bd2+ Bf6 16.Rxf6+ Kxf6
17.Qg5+ Kf7 18.Rf1+ Ke8 19.Qh5+ Ke7 20.Qh4+ Ke8 21.Qh5+ Ke7 1/2
Originally posted by SquelchbelchLol wow I don't think I would have found a mate in 12. Good thing my opponent helped me out there. I was aware that it was book til move 15 I figured my opponent was using an engine which is why I played that opening, because I knew the whole line to the draw.
This is the first game; the Muzio gambit.
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 4. Bc4 g4 5.
O-O gxf3 6. Qxf3 Qf6 7. e5 Qxe5 8. Bxf7+ Kxf7 9. d4 Qxd4+ 10. Be3 Qf6 11. Bxf4
Ne7 12. Nc3 Bg7 13. Nd5 Nxd5 14. Qxd5+ Qe6 15. Bd2+ Kg8 {
Takes game out of book; Not in top 3. White now has mate in 12} 16. Rae1 {
1st choice} Qxd5 {Not in top 3. White now has m ...[text shortened]... 16.Rxf6+ Kxf6
17.Qg5+ Kf7 18.Rf1+ Ke8 19.Qh5+ Ke7 20.Qh4+ Ke8 21.Qh5+ Ke7 1/2
Here is the 2nd game you gave with full analysis figures since there are 20+ non-book moves:
Fritz 11 @ 30 seconds per move
Pentium 4 2.93GHz 1GB RAM
Hash Table 192MB
Database used www.chesslive.de
[Event "Blitz:25'"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "Fritz 11"]
[Result "1-0"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[TimeControl "1500"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c6 4. Qb3 Nf6 5. Bg5
h6 6. Bxf6 Qxf6 7. Nf3 Be7 8. e4 O-O {Takes game out of book; 3rd choice} 9.
cxd5 {1st choice} exd5 {2nd choice} 10. exd5 {1st choice} Re8 {3rd choice} 11.
Be2 {1st choice} Qg6 {Not in top 3} 12. Ne5 {1st choice} Qf6 {1st choice} 13.
d6 {2nd choice} Bd8 {3rd choice} 14. O-O {1st choice} Bb6 {Not in top 3} 15.
Ne4 {1st choice} Qf4 {1st choice} 16. g3 {1st choice} Rxe5 {3rd choice} 17.
gxf4 {1st choice} Rxe4 {1st choice} 18. Bc4 {3rd choice} Be6 {Not in top 3} 19.
Rae1 {2nd choice} Bxc4 {1st choice} 20. Qxc4 {1st choice} Rxf4 {1st choice} 21.
Re8+ {1st choice} Kh7 {Only move} 22. Qd3+ {1st choice} g6 {1st choice} 23. Qe2
{2nd choice} Bxd4 {1st choice} 24. Qe7 {1st choice} a5 {1st choice} 25. Re1 {
Not in top 3} Rxf2 {Not in top 3} 26. Re4 {1st choice} Bc5 {
Not in top 3. White now has mate in 8} 27. Qf8 {1st choice} Rf5+ {1st choice}
28. Re3 {1st choice} Bxe3+ {1st choice} 29. Kh1 {
2nd choice (29.Kg2 is Fritz's 1st choice & also # in 6)} Rf1+ {1st choice} 30.
Kg2 {Only move} Rf2+ {1st choice} 31. Kg3 {1st choice} Bf4+ {1st choice} 32.
Kxf2 {1st choice. White has # in 3; 32...Be3+ 33.Kxe3 h5 34.Qh8#} 1-0
Result:
White:
Top 1 Match: 17/24 (70,8% )
Top 2 Match: 21/24 (87,5% )
Top 3 Match: 22/24 (91,7% )
Black:
Top 1 Match: 13/24 (54,2% )
Top 2 Match: 14/24 (58,3% )
Top 3 Match: 18/24 (75,0% )
Originally posted by Squelchbelch25.Re1 isn't even in the top 3? What was the top move?
Here is the 2nd game you gave with full analysis figures since there are 20+ non-book moves:
Fritz 11 @ 30 seconds per move
Pentium 4 2.93GHz 1GB RAM
Hash Table 192MB
Database used www.chesslive.de
[Event "Blitz:25'"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "Fritz 11"]
[Result "1-0"]
[PlyCount "63"]
[TimeCon : 13/24 (54,2% )
Top 2 Match: 14/24 (58,3% )
Top 3 Match: 18/24 (75,0% )
Edit: maybe it is suffering from horizon effect.... I'm pretty confident that 25.Re1 is the best move because it threatens 26.Re4(deflection tactic) and if 26...Rxe4 then mate follows quickly and if the bishop moves then 27.Rxf4 and mate soon after the only thing black has to stave off mates is checking and black doesn't have enough checks for perpetual or enough umph for checkmate (unless I missed something)
Here's the final game:
Fritz 11 @ 30 seconds per move
Pentium 4 2.93GHz 1GB RAM
Hash Table 192MB
Database used www.chesslive.de
[Event "Blitz:25'"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "Fritz 11"]
[Result "1-0"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[TimeControl "1500"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e5 Nh5 5.
d4 d6 6. Qe2 d5 7. c4 dxc4 8. Qxc4 g5 9. Qb3 {
Takes game out of book; 2nd choice} g4 {1st choice} 10. Bc4 {1st choice} Qe7 {
1st choice} 11. O-O {2nd choice} gxf3 {1st choice} 12. Qxf3 {1st choice} Qd7 {
2nd choice} 13. Kh1 {2nd choice} Qxd4 {Not in top 3} 14. Bxf7+ {1st choice}
Kxf7 {1st choice} 15. Qxh5+ {1st choice} Kg8 {1st choice} 16. Rxf4 {1st choice}
Qd7 {1st choice} 17. Rxf8+ {2nd choice} Kxf8 {1st choice} 18. Bh6+ {1st choice}
Ke7 {1st choice} 19. Nc3 {1st choice} Qd3 {2nd choice} 20. Qg5+ {2nd choice}
Kd7 {1st choice} 21. Qg7+ {1st choice} Kc6 {1st choice} 22. Qf6+ {1st choice}
Kc5 {1st choice} 23. Qxh8 {1st choice} Bg4 {2nd choice} 24. Qf8+ {1st choice}
Kc6 {1st choice} 25. Qf6+ {1st choice} Kd7 {1st choice} 26. Rd1 {2nd choice}
Qxd1+ {1st choice} 27. Nxd1 {1st choice} b6 {2nd choice} 28. Qg7+ {1st choice}
Kc6 {2nd choice} 29. Qxg4 {1st choice} Kb7 {1st choice} 30. Ne3 {Not in top 3}
Nc6 {1st choice} 31. e6 {1st choice} Rd8 {Not in top 3} 32. Qg7 {3rd choice} a5
{Not in top 3} 33. Bf4 {1st choice} Rc8 {1st choice} 34. Nd5 {1st choice} Nb4 {
2nd choice; White now has # in 16} 35. Nxc7 {2nd choice; # in 15} Rd8 {
1st choice} 36. Nd5+ {1st choice; # in 14} Ka6 {2nd choice} 37. e7 {
1st choice; # in 13} Rxd5 {2nd choice} 38. Qg4 {1st choice; # in 11} Rc5 {
2nd choice} 39. e8=Q {2nd choice; # in 9} Nc6 {1st choice} 40. Qge2+ {
1st choice; # in 7} b5 {1st choice} 41. Qc8+ {1st choice; # in 5} Kb6 {
1st choice} 42. Bc7+ {1st choice; # in 4} Ka7 {Only move} 43. Qe3 {
1st choice; # in 3} Nb8 {2nd choice} 44. Qxc5+ {1st choice; # in 2} Ka8 {
Only move} 45. Qxb8# {1st choice} 1-0
Result:
White:
Top 1 Match: 28/37 (75,7% )
Top 2 Match: 35/37 (94,6% )
Top 3 Match: 36/37 (97,3% )
Black:
Top 1 Match: 21/36 (58,3% )
Top 2 Match: 31/36 (86,1% )
Top 3 Match: 31/36 (86,1% )
Can I ask are these games RHP ones, because I can't find them if they are.
Also, what ratings were the opponents, because I find it hard to believe that a decent player would make 1 or 2 bad middlegame errors, then continue to play in a clearly losing position, finally allowing you to play out a mate in 16?
I'm amazed that Black didn't simply resign around move 18 in the above game. I'd have certainly given up by move 21.
This is utterly hopeless:
Originally posted by tomtom232
25.Re1 isn't even in the top 3? What was the top move?
Edit: maybe it is suffering from horizon effect.... I'm pretty confident that 25.Re1 is the best move because it threatens 26.Re4(deflection tactic) and if 26...Rxe4 then mate follows quickly and if the bishop moves then 27.Rxf4 and mate soon after the only thing black has to stave off mates is chec ...[text shortened]... n't have enough checks for perpetual or enough umph for checkmate (unless I missed something)
Going into the position cold (meaning I'm not going to do another round of 30 second analysis to move 25) after 3 minutes top 3 move analysis Fritz prefers:
1. +- (12.48): 25.Rd1 Bxf2+ 26.Kg2 g5 27.Qxb7
2. +- (11.23): 25.Qxb7 Ra6 26.Qxb8 Rb6 27.Qc7
3. +- (10.94): 25.Kh1 b5 26.Rd1 Bxb2 27.Qb7
After 25.Re1 & another 3 minutes top 2 move analysis (which should give even more accurate results) Fritz gives the score as:
1. +- (11.00): 25...c5 26.Kh1 c4 27.d7 Nxd7 28.Rxa8 c3
2. +- (12.50): 25...Bg7 26.Qxb7 Bd4 27.Qxa8 Bxf2+ 28.Kg2
Very occasionally you do get moves (and indeed lines) that outsmart an engine. I'd say that this happens on average maybe 1 move in every 2 or 3 games that I've analysed, where a move that Fritz disregards clearly outscores Fritz's 1st choice by some margin.
Once the initial "out-Fritzing" move is played, the engine quickly realises it's error & re-evaluates the line, so it rarely effects more than a single move.
Since these moves are so rare even just with 30 second top 3 move analysis, they are of no statistical significance in the overall results.
Originally posted by SquelchbelchNope not Rhp. 'Twas on chesshere. I don't know why he would play on. Qxd4+ is a well known blunder in positions like this (I.e muzio)
Here's the final game:
Fritz 11 @ 30 seconds per move
Pentium 4 2.93GHz 1GB RAM
Hash Table 192MB
Database used www.chesslive.de
[Event "Blitz:25'"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "New game"]
[Black "Fritz 11"]
[Result "1-0"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[TimeControl "1500"]
1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e5 Nh5 5.
d4 d6 6. ...[text shortened]... hopeless:
[fen]rnb4r/ppp3Qp/2k4B/4P3/8/2Nq4/PP4PP/R6K w - - 0 22[/fen]
Perhaps he thought I would blunder.
The second one was actually against crafty 19 or whatever... ICC dasher GM Petya personality and most of the moves were pretty obvious in that game... Except I still don't see why 25.Re1 isn't good.
And that guy was rated high 1700s to mid 1800s on chesshere which is really strong since the GMs on there were only in the 2000s. This was my only time beating him. I don't think anybody could use an engine there at that point because if you had minimized the page or went to a different page or whatever it would automatically abandon the game... I guess you could use two computers but would somebody really go that far? It was a pretty nice site Judit Polger, Peter Leko, and Amir Bagheri(owner) played there. I was able to play them each quite a few times getting completely dumped on each time... Even in the thirty minute games I was never able to catch them slipping. Of course I never exected to win I just was hoping if I played them enough I could lucky lol.
Originally posted by tomtom23225.Re1 is obviously a strong move, it's just that with the constraints I put on Fritz to make analysis practical - ie I don't spend 3 weeks analysing 1 game - Fritz prefers other options in a cleanly won position.
...Except I still don't see why 25.Re1 isn't good...
Originally posted by SquelchbelchOh I see. I was trying to figure out what would be better or if black had a perpetual that I couldn't see but its just Fritz automatically rejected it with only 30 seconds to find a move. That's good now I'm not so embarrassed for giving it a !! When it wasn't even in top 3.
25.Re1 is obviously a strong move, it's just that with the constraints I put on Fritz to make analysis practical - ie I don't spend 3 weeks analysing 1 game - Fritz prefers other options in a cleanly won position.