Tought on this opening.

Originally posted by BrainSik
I don't like it. Your pushing both your c and f pawns...redundant IMO.

Going to take too long for you to develop your other pieces.


Blacks d6 was bad, should have played d5 or something else rather. It's too passive.


IMO just learn a good opening. It will teach you a lot of the fundamentals.

I agree... pushing either c or f pawns can be a very powerful attacking idea, as it gives the player something with which to bite down on the opponents center. however pushing BOTH the c and f pawns 2 squares creates inherent weaknesses surrounding the e and f pawns, and they will likely become backwards pawns and prime targets for the opponent.
O ther than that, all I can do is agree that the Rabbit system is the only appropriate name for these 4 moves.


also, d6 would NOT be my reply as black.

Well - my very first thought on this opening is there's not a chance I would ever play it. Other than that I agree with the previous posters. 1. d6 is not what I would play as Black.

The system, can appear in many occasion..

Sure, d6 on f4 would not be your reply, but that thing can arise from the english opening.

1.c4 e6 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f4 Nc6 4.Nf3 something. And when black stop being hypoer modern, well, we should be ready for an other opening.

just in the dutch, the move order e6 then f5 is better, but if we play, we have to be ready for the french,

Originally posted by Sophy
The system, can appear in many occasion..

Sure, d6 on f4 would not be your reply, but that thing can arise from the english opening.

1.c4 e6 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f4 Nc6 4.Nf3 something. And when black stop being hypoer modern, well, we should be ready for an other opening.

just in the dutch, the move order e6 then f5 is better, but if we play, we have to be ready for the french,

point well made... your initial move order threw me off... however there are many replies to the English which do not allow pawn f4, namely e5 (which I think is most popular next to e6 and Nf6)

I only plan on launching that system when my opponent permit it, I don't think, he'll except that forst the first time.

I just control center from flank as I said. If i can't, then I switch, but black has only two move to prevent it.
has f4 or c4 may come up third move. then system start, Nf3, followed by a or more fianchettos.
I remeber a game with that good system.

I have a game going on with the yugi system, i'll show it after.

see what happen when white follow up his plan whit zeor resistance.


(Is this following game, it was black that applied the yugi system, I played versus yugi himself and got crushed. )

I should have done d4 or e4, but since we need a game with zero resistance.



white resign because the queen is lost. White has no life here.

The sistem can also be apllied has black when the ennemi is hypermodern..

Opening who do not take claim at the center.

Seem like a double fianchetto...

I believe that black can equalize too easily. For example:

1.c4 e6 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.f4 Nc6 4.Nf3 Bb4


5.a3 Bxc3 6.bxc3 d6 7.d4 0-0 8.Qc2 Re8 9.Rb1 e5 10.fxe5 dxe5 11.d5 Nb8 12.e4 Nbd7 13.Bd3 Nc5 14.0-0 Qd6

5.e4? Bxc3 6.dxc3 Nxe4

5.d3 d5 6.cxd5 exd5 7.a3(what else?) Bxc3+ 8.bxc3 0-0 9.Rb1 Re8 10.Qc2 Qe7(to fix the e pawn) 11.g3(sticking to your approach) Ng4 12.Bg2 Ne3 13.Bxe3 Qxe3 and whites chances of winning are zero

There are more lines but the first one is probably the best (pending further analysis) White's gonna get.

Originally posted by Sophy
I plan to play a new system, which has no name for now, so let's just call it yugi system or sophie system. But the name no matter.

[pgn] 1.f4 d6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 g6 4.Nc3 Bg7[/pgn]

Here white has the basic formation for the system. anyone can brings some tought to this.


It just look crazy enough, but I love that hyper modern way of playing from both ...[text shortened]... d as I planned to use this system in real OTB tournament.

But now, I see i have no goal....

I would play 1...e5 first of all.

we speak now of others things then the actuel system, can we not change the subject

I don't like it at all.... Much too revealing to attacks on the queen and king, plus too many things that might go wrong... I prefer to stick to e4, e4, Nf3, and c4 openings myself.

You will have more chance of getting your desired position with 1.c4
instead of 1.f4. This way you will skip the 1...d5 and 1...e5 lines.

Position after 4 moves - Keres v Mestre, Havana, 1960



Keres Lost.

Originally posted by Sophy
we speak now of others things then the actuel system, can we not change the subject

I already gave a refutation to your opening. 1...e6 then 4...Bb4.

Originally posted by Sophy
we speak now of others things then the actuel system, can we not change the subject

I already gave a refutation to your opening. 1...e6 then 4...Bb4.

That's two refutations - Well done Tom Tom.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
That's two refutations - Well done Tom Tom.

The first time it said "connection timed out"


My mistake.

I don,t like the game, but this is not a refutation.

But white do not really get a good game.

Come on, I don't find a real black advantage, maybe rybka will say 0.21, but that is nothing


Speaking of opening.. The halloween gambit is not refuted. it "refutation only to game where a black look better but in fact, it is egal. "I consider refutation something that make the line a winning one or a real advantage and not giving a small advantage