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@ Leggy, beautiful game, thoroughly enjoyed that one, what a great thread this is turning out to be!
Originally posted by DiophantusHi, sorry to press you on this, but are there any examples of this extra move proving to be a hindrance?
KIA is fine if you have a certain attitude to the opening. If you are happy to fight for equality as white (it should be the other way about really) then the KIA will suit you. However, it shares the same fault as many other reversed defences in that the defence relies on counter attack but when you have the first move there is nothing to counterattack un ...[text shortened]... e impending kingside attack that only materialises in KIDs and Pircs once white has castled.
Originally posted by tortenalso a thoroughly interesting game. Seems like the positions from KIA are quite rich.
Pro - sound opening,good weapon versus french,can be fun.
Con - doesn't seem to work so well versus non french
Here's a nice KIA game played by mere mortal 1800 patzers to illustrate it can lead to fun,exciting attacking chess.
[pgn]1.e4 e6 2.d3 c5 3.g3 d5 4.Nd2 Qa5 5.Ngf3 Nc6 6.Bg2 dxe4 7.dxe4 Nf6
8.O-O Bd7 9.c3 Be7 10.e5 Ng4 11.Re1 Qc7 12.Qe2 h5 13.h3 ...[text shortened]... xh3
21.Bg2 Qg4 22.Bg5 f6 23.Bxh6 Rxh6 24.Rxe6+ Kf7 25.Qd7+ Kg6 26.Be4+ {Black resigns} [/pgn]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHere's the first one that immediately comes to mind. White tries to play a Classical King's Indian Defence reversed but fails to lose a tempo.
Hi, sorry to press you on this, but are there any examples of this extra move proving to be a hindrance?
Originally posted by DiophantusThis is a good example of how playing by rote fails. I think the move order is flawed- if White plays 1. Nf3, I think he should play his queen's knight out first (best to the d2 square, in my opinion), and wait to see if e4 or c4 is the better strike in the center.
Here's the first one that immediately comes to mind. White tries to play a Classical King's Indian Defence reversed but fails to lose a tempo.
[pgn][Event "Ch Netherlands"]
[Site "Rotterdam (Netherlands)"]
[Date "1997.??.??"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Van Den Doel Erik (NED)"]
[Black "Sosonko Gennadi (NED)"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A08"]
[WhiteElo "2440 ...[text shortened]... 2+ 27. Kf2 Bxf3
28. Kxf3 Qg4+ 29. Kg2 h1=Q+ 30. Kxh1 Qh3+ 0-1
[/pgn]
Originally posted by pdunneVery nice! It's a database addition for me!
As previous posters have said, it's probably not a good idea to play the KIA against everything. I sometimes like to try 2.Qe2 (Tschigorin's Attack) against the French, and that very often turns into a KIA. I've been quite successful with it OTB. Here's my finest hour.
[pgn]
[Event "13. VFB Schach Leipzig Open"]
[Site "Leipzig"]
[Date "2006.03.17"] ...[text shortened]... Rg3 52.h7 Rh3+ 53.Kg6 Ke7 54.f6+ Kf8
55.Kg5 b5 56.Bg6 1-0
[/pgn]
Originally posted by greenpawn34It's a good quip, but actually I think reading Nimzowitsch can be very harmful if done before one's ready for him. Get your Dr. Tarrasch down first, then you can worry about Mr. N. Although first of all of course, and Mr. N. himself recommended this , is -- you guessed it -- the ability to combine i.e. tactics.
Someone has been reading too much Nimzovitch. (....and skipping bits.) 😉
Originally posted by greenpawn3412.Nd2 doesn't seem so bad for example
White's play in that pure Kid reversed was awful.
here. White to play.
[fen]r1bqk2r/pp2bpp1/2n2n2/2p1p3/3pPP2/3P1NPp/PPP1N2P/R1BQ1RKB w kq - 0 13[/fen]
He came up with the wonderful plan (seen in no KID I can recall)
of 13.Nd2 Ng4 and 14 Nb1 no wonder he got clobbered.
[fen]r1bqk2r/pp2bpp1/2n5/2p1p3/3pPPn1/3P2Pp/PPP1N2P/RNBQ1RKB b kq - 0 14[/f ...[text shortened]... id that come from?
Someone has been reading too much Nimzovitch. (....and skipping bits.) 😉