@sonhouse saidEasy, they will claim that the infrared window for CO2 is closed anyway (at least that is the standard).
https://phys.org/news/2024-05-chemical-analysis-natural-years-today.html
Direct evidence of the rise of CO2 compared to 50,000 years ago by analyzing how much CO2 is in present V ancient Antarctica ice.
How are the human caused climate change deniers going to rationalize this data?
That climate change is connected to Co2-levels is less generally accepted as one would expect.
@Ponderable
Tells a lot about the vaunted intelligence of the human race doesn't it.
Maybe humans don't deserve to live on the best planet for life in probably thousands of light years.
@sonhouse saidAbsolutely.
@Ponderable
Tells a lot about the vaunted intelligence of the human race doesn't it.
Maybe humans don't deserve to live on the best planet for life in probably thousands of light years.
But who is going to turn the tide?
Not this generation for sure.
@venda
In short, all the CO2 sequestration technology is going to come WAY too late to actually lower the count below what was in say 1800 or so.
I see developments along that line but getting literally millions of tons of CO2 out of the atmosphere in the next ten or twenty years? Don't think that will happen because it would take a world wide Manhattan project level to get the job done and don't think there will be a world wide effort there, individual countries, a few doing their best but way too late.
@sonhouse saidThe countries responsible for a significant percentage of CO2 emissions are China and the USA,closely followed by India Russia and Brazil
@venda
In short, all the CO2 sequestration technology is going to come WAY too late to actually lower the count below what was in say 1800 or so.
I see developments along that line but getting literally millions of tons of CO2 out of the atmosphere in the next ten or twenty years? Don't think that will happen because it would take a world wide Manhattan project level to ge ...[text shortened]... re will be a world wide effort there, individual countries, a few doing their best but way too late.
Are there any efforts to reduce them?
Even if we in the little old UK were to achieve net zero emissions(unlikely) it would make little difference.
There's too many people in the world.Even when we get a virus that could drastically reduce the earths population we find a way combat it!
I'm glad I'm 70 not 7!
Our granddaughter who is 8 is taught about climate change , so perhaps there is some hope for the future.
@venda said...and of course those countries with the highest CO2-foodprint per capita should go into the lead, and those who can most easyilöy afoord it. Katar seems to be the worst emitter, followed by UAE, Saudi Arabia, USA, Australia, canada. (https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/167877/umfrage/co-emissionen-nach-laendern-je-einwohner/)
The countries responsible for a significant percentage of CO2 emissions are China and the USA,closely followed by India Russia and Brazil
Are there any efforts to reduce them?
Even if we in the little old UK were to achieve net zero emissions(unlikely) it would make little difference.
I'm glad I'm 70 not 7!
Our granddaughter who is 8 is taught about climate change , so perhaps there is some hope for the future.
Relativeley poor countries also have a small CO2-footprint.
@Ponderable saidObviously per capita will generate a different list from simply CO2 emissions by tons,but it seems no matter how many climate change conferences there are,little changes.
...and of course those countries with the highest CO2-foodprint per capita should go into the lead, and those who can most easyilöy afoord it. Katar seems to be the worst emitter, followed by UAE, Saudi Arabia, USA, Australia, canada. (https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/167877/umfrage/co-emissionen-nach-laendern-je-einwohner/)
Relativeley poor countries also have a small CO2-footprint.
@venda
Until it is too late and the glaciers in Greenland all melt and the ocean level goes up by some 50 feet. Goodbye Florida, Venice beach where we came from, goodbye Bahama Islands where I worked for years on Andros and so forth. Followed by the Atlantic ocean current keeping Europe from freezing over. Humans will learn the hard way.
@sonhouse saidYou're talking to the converted here my friend
@venda
Until it is too late and the glaciers in Greenland all melt and the ocean level goes up by some 50 feet. Goodbye Florida, Venice beach where we came from, goodbye Bahama Islands where I worked for years on Andros and so forth. Followed by the Atlantic ocean current keeping Europe from freezing over. Humans will learn the hard way.
I can quote an incident from a few years ago in the UK:-
The Somerset levels ,a rural area were badly affected by flooding.Little or nothing from the government.Then LONDON was affected by freak floods.You should have heard the outcry!
@RussNah
Not only that but there will be a positive feedback when temps go up enough to start melting permafrost releasing methane by the ton, the only saving grace with methane is it has a relatively short half life, UV tears the molecules apart but relatively short is several generations of humans to subside. That bit has already started but not on a world crisis level yet.