1. Subscribersonhouse
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    24 Jan '14 11:331 edit
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25743806

    The sun is being very quiet right now. Could be bad news for the climate.

    The actual Maunder Minimum was a very bad time for Europe as things froze up.

    We're not talking bad news next year. This will only show up if it continues in like form for the next 20 years or so.

    So no need to sell your winter cottage in Cern🙂
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    24 Jan '14 12:117 edits
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25743806

    The sun is being very quiet right now. Could be bad news for the climate.

    The actual Maunder Minimum was a very bad time for Europe as things froze up.

    We're not talking bad news next year. This will only show up if it continues in like form for the next 20 years or so.

    So no need to sell your winter cottage in Cern🙂
    It says it probably have strong local cooling effects but only a weak global cooling effect at most -perhaps delay global warming by 5 years at most. Pity -it would be nice if this quite sun exactly contracted global warming at least for a few decades to give us more breathing space.

    I really don't like what it implies about the effect on winters in the UK where I am; I hate severe winters! I still got some very bad vivid memories of a particularly bad one that I was caught up in for months on a farm when I was young that I found so long and bitterly painfully cold that I began to wonder if it would ever end.
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    24 Jan '14 13:16
    It should be noted that even during the maunder minimum, the 'little ice age'
    it was not freezing cold in Europe ALL winter or every winter.

    The effect is suspected to be caused by the jet stream weakening and meandering
    drawing in cold air behind the meanders.

    When the meander is over Europe/the UK we get a freezing cold snap.
    When it isn't we get a mild and wet period.

    During a maunder minimum such meandering of the jet stream is predicted to be more
    frequent leading to more freezing cold snaps on average. [for the UK and Europe]


    A bit like the big freeze the USA just had. Which was caused by a similar effect.

    The media always portray the Maunder minimum like it was freezing cold all the time,
    or at least every winter all winter. And that's just not true.
    In between freezing cold winters they still had mild ones.
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    24 Jan '14 14:57
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    It should be noted that even during the maunder minimum, the 'little ice age'
    it was not freezing cold in Europe ALL winter or every winter.

    The effect is suspected to be caused by the jet stream weakening and meandering
    drawing in cold air behind the meanders.

    When the meander is over Europe/the UK we get a freezing cold snap.
    When it isn't w ...[text shortened]... ll winter. And that's just not true.
    In between freezing cold winters they still had mild ones.
    Wasn't the Thames frozen solid at some point in the Maunder?
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    24 Jan '14 17:12
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Wasn't the Thames frozen solid at some point in the Maunder?
    Yes the Thames froze a number of times, and ice fairs were held on it.
    But again it did not freeze every year, or for the entire winter.


    It should also be noted that general global warming will very likely shift
    the temps upwards, so them getting a minimum of -10C might correspond
    to us having -5~-8C minimums [ect].
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    25 Jan '14 00:18
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Yes the Thames froze a number of times, and ice fairs were held on it.
    But again it did not freeze every year, or for the entire winter.


    It should also be noted that general global warming will very likely shift
    the temps upwards, so them getting a minimum of -10C might correspond
    to us having -5~-8C minimums [ect].
    For a while. It is not certain yet we are actually in another Maunder. That won't be clear for a decade at least.
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