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Spirituality

  1. 27 Dec '17 22:33 / 2 edits
    - Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”

    - Sinner replies: “why?”

    - Jesus persists: “so I can save you”

    - Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”

    - Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”

  2. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    27 Dec '17 23:58 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    - Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”

    - Sinner replies: “why?”

    - Jesus persists: “so I can save you”

    - Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”

    - Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”

    Are you a tolerant person Divegeester ?

    If you are then if I write some things that you don't agree with I can be assured that you are at least tolerant of other's beliefs and won't get overly upset.

    So do you consider yourself a tolerant person when it comes to the Bible?
  3. 28 Dec '17 00:28
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Are you a tolerant person Divegeester ?

    If you are then if I write some things that you don't agree with I can be assured that you are at least tolerant of other's beliefs and won't get overly upset.

    So do you consider yourself a [b]tolerant
    person when it comes to the Bible?[/b]
    I’m very tolerant, I rarely get upset.
  4. 28 Dec '17 01:16 / 1 edit
    According to Jesus as recorded in Matthew 13

    So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
  5. 28 Dec '17 01:22
    Originally posted by @eladar
    According to Jesus as recorded in Matthew 13

    So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will ...[text shortened]... teous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
    Yes I know it makes sense to you, it just doesn’t to me.
  6. Subscriber Rajk999
    Enjoying
    28 Dec '17 01:31
    Originally posted by @eladar
    According to Jesus as recorded in Matthew 13

    So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will ...[text shortened]... teous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
    That passage describes destruction. Evil people are burned to death and they will be destroyed.

    Nothing there about the suffering being eternal
  7. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    28 Dec '17 02:25
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Are you a tolerant person Divegeester ?

    If you are then if I write some things that you don't agree with I can be assured that you are at least tolerant of other's beliefs and won't get overly upset.

    So do you consider yourself a [b]tolerant
    person when it comes to the Bible?[/b]
    sonship tries to smear some of his pre-monologue drool on divegeester's face instead of just addressing the OP. No surprise there, then.
  8. 28 Dec '17 03:33
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    That passage describes destruction. Evil people are burned to death and they will be destroyed.

    Nothing there about the suffering being eternal
    From Matthew 26

    Now when evening came, Jesus was reclining at the table with the twelve disciples. 21 As they were eating, He said, “Truly I say to you that one of you will betray Me.” 22 Being deeply grieved, they each one began to say to Him, “Surely not I, Lord?” 23 And He answered, “He who dipped his hand with Me in the bowl is the one who will betray Me. 24 The Son of Man is to go, just as it is written of Him; but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had not been born.”


    Seems to me there is more than simple death for Judas at least. The weeping and gnashing of teeth doesn't seem so pleasant.
  9. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    28 Dec '17 03:44
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    - Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”

    - Sinner replies: “why?”

    - Jesus persists: “so I can save you”

    - Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”

    - Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”

    This is only looking at it as a human perspective.
  10. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    28 Dec '17 04:59
    Originally posted by @rbhill
    This is only looking at it as a human perspective.
    Why don't you rewrite the brief dialogue and do so with a non-human perspective and people can take a look at it?
  11. 28 Dec '17 07:54
    Originally posted by @rbhill
    This is only looking at it as a human perspective.
    Could you write it from whatever perspective makes sense to you?
  12. 28 Dec '17 11:24
    Originally posted by @rbhill
    This is only looking at it as a human perspective.
    “From a human perspective” is usual. What does "as...” even mean?
  13. Subscriber Rajk999
    Enjoying
    28 Dec '17 12:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    ... The weeping and gnashing of teeth doesn't seem so pleasant.
    How do you go from ;'not so pleasant suffering' to 'ETERNAL suffering'?
  14. Standard member sonship
    the corrected one.
    28 Dec '17 13:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @divegeester
    - Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”

    - Sinner replies: “why?”

    - Jesus persists: “so I can save you”

    - Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”

    - Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”

    Remember that you said that you were a tolerant person.
    You can tolerate different interpretations of the Gospel from Unitarianism.

    - Jesus knocking on the door of a sinners heart calls out: “let me in”

    - Sinner replies: “why?”

    - Jesus persists: “so I can save you”

    - Sinner is inquisitive: “save me from what?”

    - Jesus closes: “from what I’ll do to you in hell if you don’t let me in”


    Does it make sense to you for a person to derive the information about WHAT Jesus saves us from directly from the New Testament's words? Does it make sense to START there ?

    " ... and you shall call His name Jesus, for it is He who will save His people from their sins." (Matt. 1:21b)


    Why not start here?
    Jesus came to save His people (people trusting in Him, His believers; His followers) FROM ... their sins.
  15. Subscriber FMF
    Main Poster
    28 Dec '17 13:18
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Jesus came to save His people (people trusting in Him, His believers; His followers) FROM ... their sins.
    But Christians get "saved" even if they continue "sinning". They don't get tossed into 'the lake of fire'. People who are not Christians - people who "do not let Jesus in" (as the OP put it) do get tossed into 'the lake of fire'. They are not "saved" from that punishment/revenge. So the last line of divegeester's OP dialogue stands, clearly.