and you believe this?

Originally posted by Conrau K
Look, there are a lot of valid arguments against Christian beliefs. But your ignorance of the doctrine of the Trinity and the Incarnation pretty much disqualifies you from any of these debates. Christians do not believe that God needed a woman to give birth to himself. What they believe is that the Father and Son existed before time, that the Son became inc ...[text shortened]... able to reconcile mankind with God through his death. That minimally is what Christians profess.

See this is just another example of religious belief. your use of the word "ignorance" assumes I don't know the doctrine and it degrading as well. If you're so easily upset by simple questions I refuse to debate with you.

Originally posted by gearies
If brain capacity could be measured then most non believers could not fill a BM, relax God loves even dimwits like non believers too!

here is another example of why religion poisons everything. this person feels upset so instead of dedating a question they want to degrade you by talking about your "brain capacity" and calling anyone who questions anything "dimwits". nice job, maybe next sunday when your on your knees maybe you should ask for some forgiveness and alittle understanding.

Originally posted by chessartist
here is another example of why religion poisons everything. this person feels upset so instead of dedating a question they want to degrade you by talking about your "brain capacity" and calling anyone who questions anything "dimwits". nice job, maybe next sunday when your on your knees maybe you should ask for some forgiveness and alittle understanding.

Oh golly, you're going to be so sorry for messing with gearies when God lovingly condemns you to the raging, never ending fires of hell for challenging his learned opinion of your IQ level for not believing in Him and His holy book written (through the divine guidance of his words) by ancient humans. 😲

What's in store for you makes me very disappointed 🙁

Originally posted by chessartist
See this is just another example of religious belief. your use of the word "ignorance" assumes I don't know the doctrine and it degrading as well. If you're so easily upset by simple questions I refuse to debate with you.

You know nothing of my religious commitments. Right now, I am most leaning towards atheism -- so don't lecture me. You are quite right, though, that by 'ignorance', I meant to imply that you do not anything about Christian doctrine. In fact, that is precisely what I meant. The fact that you expressed surprise when Jaywill said Jesus is God shows that you are not a very informed commentator on Christianity.

Originally posted by Conrau K
You know nothing of my religious commitments. Right now, I am most leaning towards atheism -- so don't lecture me. You are quite right, though, that by 'ignorance', I meant to imply that you do not anything about Christian doctrine. In fact, that is precisely what I meant. The fact that you expressed surprise when Jaywill said Jesus is God shows that you are not a very informed commentator on Christianity.

Sorry but I can't keep quite on this. Christianity was never based on the pagan belifef of the trinity and up to this day you have never proved that it was believed, thought of or taught by Jesus, the apostles or by anyone in the Bible. It was never a belief of God's people of the old testement such as the Isrealites or Jews and is still not a belief to this day by them. The only mentions of the trinity belief was the condemnation of that which is very CLEAR in the Bible.
So the only ignorance here is the belief of the trinity by ones who wish to be blinded by such a satanic teaching which only makes sense that he did and still uses such teachings to fool ones into false worshipping practices. The doctrine you speak of is only the Catholic doctrine, not Christian...
Again prove to us all that the early Christians up to the death of the last apostle believed in the trinity?????????? Give us evidence.

Originally posted by Conrau K
You know nothing of my religious commitments. Right now, I am most leaning towards atheism -- so don't lecture me. You are quite right, though, that by 'ignorance', I meant to imply that you do not anything about Christian doctrine. In fact, that is precisely what I meant. The fact that you expressed surprise when Jaywill said Jesus is God shows that you are not a very informed commentator on Christianity.

Maybe chessartist shouldn't lecture you, but his inquiry into the whole "Jesus- being- God -thing" is apt. APT!!
It explains nothing. It just says "accept this doctrine or go to hell" (even though it makes no sense.)

And you believe this? (that Jesus is God?) Gosh.
I'm appalled at what passes what "truth" in this forum.
Jesus is up there in his satellite, cringing at what is being done in his name. Poor guy. It is not us who need his help, it is he who needs ours.
God help us all. And since there is no way to prove God exists its going to take a miracle (or more realistically), a sound, factual approach to get us through this.
Please,Please understand that Jesus dont care much for "judging","sending to hell", kneeling,praying or any other such so-called pious acts. He is awaiting, with open arms, for his children to return tio him.
And he really needs these children to grow up before he can "reunite" with them again. 😞

Originally posted by galveston75
Sorry but I can't keep quite on this. Christianity was never based on the pagan belifef of the trinity and up to this day you have never proved that it was believed, thought of or taught by Jesus, the apostles or by anyone in the Bible. It was never a belief of God's people of the old testement such as the Isrealites or Jews and is still not a belief to ...[text shortened]... stians up to the death of the last apostle believed in the trinity?????????? Give us evidence.

Christianity was never based on the pagan belifef of the trinity and up to this day you have never proved that it was believed, thought of or taught by Jesus, the apostles or by anyone in the Bible.

I am not satisfied with your pagan explanation for the doctrine of the Trinity. You know nothing of classical history and your bizarro theories have no credibility. As I have been at pains to explain, however, Christians do not believe that Christ or the Apostles explicitly taught any such doctrine. Nor do they believe that it was taught by the Jews (Jesus Christ, after all, is supposed to be the ultimate prophet.)

But I have no interest in arguing with you or with RC ever again. Neither of you has the intellectual scruples to be worthy of any conversation. You are both blinded by idiotic dogma.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Maybe chessartist shouldn't lecture you, but his inquiry into the whole "Jesus- being- God -thing" is apt. APT!!
It explains nothing. It just says "accept this doctrine or go to hell" (even though it makes no sense.)

And you believe this? (that Jesus is God?) Gosh.
I'm appalled at what passes what "truth" in this forum.
Jesus is up there in his really needs these children to grow up before he can "reunite" with them again. 😞

Maybe chessartist shouldn't lecture you, but his inquiry into the whole "Jesus- being- God -thing" is apt. APT!!

Well, chessartist did not present any inquiry; he was completely surprised by the idea, as if the doctrine of the Trinity were unknown to him. The issue is not whether the Trinity is wrong or wrong -- rather, it is the fact that mainstream Christianity professes this doctrine and chessartist shows very quite alarming ignorance of it.

It explains nothing. It just says "accept this doctrine or go to hell" (even though it makes no sense.)

Well, no, it doesn't. I am not aware of any Christians who believe that commitment to a Trinitarian God is necessary for salvation.

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]Christianity was never based on the pagan belifef of the trinity and up to this day you have never proved that it was believed, thought of or taught by Jesus, the apostles or by anyone in the Bible.

I am not satisfied with your pagan explanation for the doctrine of the Trinity. You know nothing of classical history and your bizarro theories have n ...[text shortened]... e intellectual scruples to be worthy of any conversation. You are both blinded by idiotic dogma.[/b]

http://community.history.com/topic/9737

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.5.html

http://www.christadelphia.org/trinityhistory.htm

http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/doctrine/The%20Origin%20of%20the%20Trinity.htm

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html

http://www.apostolics.net/notrinity.html

http://www.truegospelofjesus.org/articles/trinity.html

http://www.prudentialpublishing.info/trinity_doctrine_origins.htm

http://reluctant-messenger.com/Lost-Doctrines-Christianity009.htm

http://mikeblume.com/pagantr.htm

http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/beliefs/trinity.htm

http://www.2001translation.com/Trinity.html

http://apostolics.net/trichrt1.html

Originally posted by galveston75
http://community.history.com/topic/9737

http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.5.html

http://www.christadelphia.org/trinityhistory.htm

http://www.heraldmag.org/olb/contents/doctrine/The%20Origin%20of%20the%20Trinity.htm

http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/trinity.html

http://www.apostolics.net/notrinity.html

http://www.tr ...[text shortened]... rinity.htm

http://www.2001translation.com/Trinity.html

http://apostolics.net/trichrt1.html

Galvo, one day you might hear the word 'peer-reviewed' and discover the whole concept of credibility but at the moment, I see little possibility of enlightening you.

Originally posted by Conrau K
[b]Maybe chessartist shouldn't lecture you, but his inquiry into the whole "Jesus- being- God -thing" is apt. APT!!

Well, chessartist did not present any inquiry; he was completely surprised by the idea, as if the doctrine of the Trinity were unknown to him. The issue is not whether the Trinity is wrong or wrong -- rather, it is the fact that mainst ny Christians who believe that commitment to a Trinitarian God is necessary for salvation.[/b]

Thank you for the clarification. Sometimes I get upset with Trinitarians. Your post showed maturity.

The bit where you said "The issue is not whether the Trinity is wrong or wrong...", was that a typo? Freudian slip? 🙂 Or did I just misunderstand you?

sorry but that doesn't really mean much to me. you MUST do better if you're trying to scare me into thinking god is mad at me for questioning.
let me ask you another question and see if you know the answer.
matthew, mark, luke and john wrote their books when? during jesus' life or later?
pretty easy question

Originally posted by Agerg
Oh golly, you're going to be so sorry for messing with gearies when God lovingly condemns you to the raging, never ending fires of hell for challenging his learned opinion of your IQ level for not believing in Him and His holy book written (through the divine guidance of his words) by ancient humans. 😲

What's in store for you makes me very disappointed 🙁

sorry not worried, you really MUST try harder to frighten me. i do hope there is a god because i think he or she has more to answer for than i do. where in the bible does it talk of "hell fire"?
I bet you think you're going to be on some cloud playing a harp for ever too.
I have a friend who has a bridge and he wants to talk to you about it.

Originally posted by chessartist
sorry not worried, you really MUST try harder to frighten me. i do hope there is a god because i think he or she has more to answer for than i do. where in the bible does it talk of "hell fire"?
I bet you think you're going to be on some cloud playing a harp for ever too.
I have a friend who has a bridge and he wants to talk to you about it.

I think I detected a faint hint of sarcasm from the esteemed Agerg there dude.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Which is why, as far as I know, nobody gives money directly to God. After all, nobody knows his bank account number.
Giving to the Church is another matter altogether. Although some may see it as giving to God, the vast majority in my experience see it as supporting an organization they are part of and make use of. I grew up in the Anglican Church, and m ...[text shortened]... and in some denominations the congregation have very little say about what happens to the money.

I know of an athiest who gives quite regularly to a church run food pantry--nonsequitor alert--