Originally posted by Palynka I don't want to be pedantic, but you're asking him what he would do if he didn't believe what he believes now. That isn't very meaningful. Do you see what I mean? If you ask him to suppose he believes something, then he has to say he would act accordingly.
Originally posted by yo its me Well where did he say what he beleives?
When I said he was not a Christian, you replied that you meant if he was in gaychessplayer's shoes. I assumed this to mean as if he was a gay believer.
If not, then I don't see why he should even try to change his sexuality...
Originally posted by Palynka When I said he was not a Christian, you replied that you meant if he was in gaychessplayer's shoes. I assumed this to mean as if he was a gay believer.
If not, then I don't see why he should even try to change his sexuality...
ok I wrote You asked the question DrS but you didn't state where you are on this debate.
So what is it that you beleive? If you were born gay would you go to the Exodus International and try to change your orientation?
I don't know what his views are, so I asked that's all.
Originally posted by gaychessplayer I am often deeply agonized and depressed over the fact that homosexuality is a sin. I don't fully understand why it is a sin, unlike something like murder or theft, which involves the harming of another unwitting person, which I can understand being a sin.
I've never had what I would considered to be a well-thought-out Christian tell me tha ...[text shortened]... ed upon them in a sex act with another person.
Anyway, that's my long-winded answer.
Sin is sin to God, Be it murder, rape, lying, stealing, or homo. God is a holy God (without sin) wrong is wrong all equal value to Him. Timothy (the book) speaks of a man should not lay with another man. God Designed man and woman. To be with the same gender is saying God was wrong. Example, God gave me Eve but I will get with Steve. You have know disobeyed God.
Also if the whole world turned gay (if sperm banks didn't exsist) the woman who are with child(ren) would be giving birth the the last of the human race. Same gender sex nothing can become of it.
Originally posted by realeyez Sin is sin to God, Be it murder, rape, lying, stealing, or homo. God is a holy God (without sin) wrong is wrong all equal value to Him. Timothy (the book) speaks of a man should not lay with another man. God Designed man and woman. To be with the same gender is saying God was wrong. Example, God gave me Eve but I will get with Steve. You have know disobeyed ...[text shortened]... would be giving birth the the last of the human race. Same gender sex nothing can become of it.
Of course, there's no evidence at all that the world would or could ever completely "turn gay". This is merely the thought that keeps homophobes up at night.
Just like the idiotic notion that same sex marriage would somehow ruin marriage.
Originally posted by PsychoPawn Of course, there's no evidence at all that the world would or could ever completely "turn gay". This is merely the thought that keeps homophobes up at night.
Just like the idiotic notion that same sex marriage would somehow ruin marriage.
As a gay person, I would like to note that I've never knowingly met anyone who was homophobic. A "phobia" is a fear, and I've never (knowingly) met anyone who "feared" gay people. I've met a lot of people who objected to homosexuality, but no one who explicitly said that they "feared" gay people. Homophobia is a really silly word in my opinion, since it literally means "fear of sameness."
BTW, I agree with you that allowing gays to marry by itself wouldn't "ruin marriage", but I think that it is at least possible to make a case that it would, so to call it "idiotic" is to my mind just a ploy designed to forstall a serious discussion.
Originally posted by realeyez Sin is sin to God, Be it murder, rape, lying, stealing, or homo. God is a holy God (without sin) wrong is wrong all equal value to Him. Timothy (the book) speaks of a man should not lay with another man. God Designed man and woman. To be with the same gender is saying God was wrong. Example, God gave me Eve but I will get with Steve. You have know disobeyed ...[text shortened]... would be giving birth the the last of the human race. Same gender sex nothing can become of it.
you said: To be with the same gender is saying God was wrong.
If homosexuality is a physical condition that one is born with, like MS or CP, wouldn't that make God wrong as well? If God creates us in his image, then we have to accept that people who are born different from us are created in God's image as well.
Do you believe that Christ fulfilled Levitical law? Christ gave us a double love command, and the apostle paul reaffirms that when he says that we are to love our nieghbors as ourselves, and to love God, and that that is the fulfillment of the law. I don't understand why people who profess to be followers of Christ have no idea what he taught.
Originally posted by duecer ..If homosexuality is a physical condition that one is born with...
Heterosexuality is also a physical condition that one is born with.
Therefore in the strict sense, since sex is only allowed in marriage, gays should also wait until they are married and also be faithful to one partner ?
Originally posted by gaychessplayer As a gay person, I would like to note that I've never knowingly met anyone who was homophobic. A "phobia" is a fear, and I've never (knowingly) met anyone who "feared" gay people. I've met a lot of people who objected to homosexuality, but no one who explicitly said that they "feared" gay people. Homophobia is a really silly word in my opin ...[text shortened]... t "idiotic" is to my mind just a ploy designed to forstall a serious discussion.
You're just arguing semantics in the first paragraph. A lot of people who object to homosexuals and homosexuality do it because of a root fear of what it means to them and to society. Homophobia may not be the word you would choose, but I guess "prejudice against homosexuals" just doesn't roll off the tongue.
but I think that it is at least possible to make a case that it would, so to call it "idiotic" is to my mind just a ploy designed to forstall a serious discussion
Every argument I have ever heard about it ruining marriage has essentially been idiotic. I'm open to someone changing the trend though and providing an exception to that rule.
I don't call it idiotic to forestall any discussion, I call it idiotic because that's the only kind of argument I've seen made.
Originally posted by Rajk999 Heterosexuality is also a physical condition that one is born with.
Therefore in the strict sense, since sex is only allowed in marriage, gays should also wait until they are married and also be faithful to one partner ?
yes, I don't think promiscuity is acceptable. I live in Massachusettes, so it is legal for gays to be married here, however in states or countries where it isn't allowed, then a private committment ceremony by a spiritual leader should suffice.
the supposed practice of communicating with the dead, esp. in order to predict the future.
• witchcraft, sorcery, or black magic in general. I don't do any of that stuff.
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