Originally posted by sonshipWhere did I say this :1. Christian saints who overcome the world through Christ.. their destiny is secure, these have eternal security
The eternal security of the one who suffers loss yet is saved as through fire is evident.
Though he is defeated and suffers loss, he is still eternally saved.
[quote] [b] "If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but ...[text shortened]... ere, as he breaths out insults of "twit" and other gutter level expressions, has mostly hot air.
"Its Okay to continue to live worldly, sinful, backslidden Christians lives marring and defiling the holy temple of the church"
That is YOUR slanderous misrepresentation of our teaching.
And like stuck record you keep referring to Group 2... those who are saved though fire.. nobody is arguing that, Cant you read?
Jesus and Paul and Peter spoke as well of Group 3 .. those who will be destroyed, cast out, cast into the lake of fire, who are worse off than atheists ... :You are so dense.
I notice also you have stopped replying with my quote. ... childish small minded Christian. Trying to show me that you not talking to me ? 😀
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Originally posted by Rajk999My specific responses to your groups:
Jesus identified 3 types of Christians:
1. Those who did good work - eternal life
2. Those who did :acceptable work - eternal life
3. Those who did nothing.- cast out
Well, strictly speaking to HAVE Christ is the HAVE divine and eternal life because He IS the life (John 14:6). So His faithful apostle says he who has the Son has the life.
"He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life." (1 John 5:12)
Faithful John here is only echoing the words of John 14:6 and other places.
The servant "cast out" in Matthew is cast out into "the outer darkness"
Certainly within the scope of "saved, yet so as through fire" being cast out into outer darkness during the millennial kingdom would qualify.
That this casting out is "eternal' is pure speculation on your part which I don't think you can prove.
Paul in 1 Cor 3, did the very same thing, 3 types
1. Those who did good work - eternal life
2. Those who did some work, some bad works and will suffer loss and still be saved - eternal life
3. These who did evil, defiled themselves and God - these will be destroyed.
The category #3 is the same category #2 in the passage.
This is evident when you read the verses together.
" ... but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.(15b)
Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? (v.16)
If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for the temple of God is holy and such are you."(v.17)
There are two ways that a human being may try to destroy the temple of God.
1.) By persecution from outside by an unbeliever.
2.) By trying to build it with inferior materials that are NOT Christ living in the believer.
The context of God destroying those who mar, destroy, defile the holy temple in verse 17 is the second category. That is those whose building materials burn up under examination at the judgment seat of Christ - FOR Christians.
Originally posted by sonshipYou continue to ignore the teachings of Christ and the Apostles in favour of your idol Watchman Nee. Good Luck to you with that.
My specific responses to your groups:Jesus identified 3 types of Christians:
1. Those who did good work - eternal life
2. Those who did :acceptable work - eternal life
3. Those who did nothing.- cast out
Well, strictly speaking to HAVE Christ is the HAVE divine and eternal life because He IS the life [b](John 14:6). So His ...[text shortened]... se building materials burn up under examination at the judgment seat of Christ - FOR Christians.[/b]
Those who are called will follow the teachings of Christ
Those who are not will try to believe what you say and they will end up nowhere.
Good decent atheists will see the Kingdom of God before the types who proclaim their faith and live unrighteously.
God calls and God will judge.
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Take your pick. The New Testament says that His sheep will by no means perish forever.
Rajk999 says that His sheep may by some means will perish forever.
"My sheep hear My voice, and I now them, and they follow Me.
And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand.
My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all, and no one can snatch them out of My Father's hand.
I and the Father are one." (John 10:27-30)
The SHEEP of Jesus Christ - "THEY SHALL BY NO MEANS PERISH FOREVER. "
Originally posted by sonship
Take your pick. The New Testament says that His sheep will by no means perish forever.
Rajk999 says that His sheep may by some means will perish forever.[b] "My sheep hear My voice, and I now them, and they follow Me.
And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. ...[text shortened]...
The SHEEP of Jesus Christ - "THEY SHALL BY NO MEANS PERISH FOREVER. "[/b]I agree with what Jesus said. I dont agree with what YOU say.
Jesus knows his sheep.. YOU DONT. You call all Christians Jesus's sheep. This is our disagreement.
There are many types of Christians which Jesus listed out into 3 categories. Paul did the same thing. Go read it again. One of these Christian groups will be destroyed because they are sinful and evil .. they are not Christs sheep. You got that?
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Originally posted by Rajk999
I agree with what Jesus said. I dont agree with what YOU say.
What I said was simply John 10:27-30.
Jesus knows his sheep.. YOU DONT.
What I said was not about what I know. It was about what Jesus said.
Namely -
"And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, and no one shall snatch them out of My hand." (v.28)
That's what I quoted. You're just trying to create a false issue.
You call all Christians Jesus's sheep. This is our disagreement.
What I said was John 10:27-30.
If the subject matter had been about nominal Christians or false sheep of Jesus, maybe I would have quoted something from Matthew 13:24-30; 36-43 the parable of the wheat and the tares.
As it stands I quoted what concerned the OP of this thread. And that would most appropriately be John 10:27-30. For some strange reason you are attempting to create a false issue.
There are many types of Christians which Jesus listed out into 3 categories.
The quotation of John 10:27-30 deals effectively with the question posed by the OP.
Christian Saints is pertaining to Christ's sheep.
You're looking for wiggle room to make some other issue.
If you meant to sensationally use "Christian Saints" to mean "NOT Christian saints" then you should have made that clear.
Paul did the same thing. Go read it again. One of these Christian groups will be destroyed because they are sinful and evil .. they are not Christs sheep. You got that?
All I need to "get" pertaining to this question you posed is in John 10:27-30.
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Originally posted by sonshipI agree that Christ 's sheep cannot lose their eternal life. Who is arguing that? I did say that in the thread 'Best and Worse'.I agree with what Jesus said. I dont agree with what YOU say.
What [b]I said was simply John 10:27-30.
Jesus knows his sheep.. YOU DONT.
What I said was not about what I know. It was about what Jesus said.
Namely -"And I give to them eternal life, and they shall by no means perish forever, a ...[text shortened]...
All I need to "get" pertaining to this question you posed is in [b]John 10:27-30.[/b]
What you are doing is trying to call Paul's group 3 Christians Christ's sheep.. and they are not.
