02 Apr '08 22:14>
Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
This is a little off-topic, but it's interesting. What leads you to believe that Jesus means within a "certain arena of sinfulness"? It makes more sense to me as being more general. Take into account the "cast the first stone" passage. I look at it as a caution against pointing to others while you've yet to get your own house in order - the "there are others worse than me" rationalization.
Since it is clear that every one is sinful to one degree or another, one
would be forced to conclude that everyone is a hypocrite. But certainly
that can't be true. Because I have lied in the past at one time or another,
but have repented and made amends does not make me 'a liar.' Consequently,
I have the right to judge a liar, to chastise them and insist that they
desist from such behavior. I am righteous in so doing. However, if I
am a liar -- lying regularly whenever I am pressed with a difficult scenario --
then I ought to 'clean my own house,' as you said, before casting judgment.
Regarding the woman caught in adultery, I do not think that Jesus was
asking people to suspend judgment (He Himself instructed her to avoid
the sin in the future), but to suspend executing the sentence imposed
by Mosaic Law, in all likelihood opining that stoning someone for adultery
is a barbaric practice not commensurate with the general values He seemed
to have espoused.
I'll ask you the same question as I asked KM: When would someone appropriately invoke that verse as a defense?
I would say that the person could justly invoke this verse as a defense
whenever an individual pronouncing judgment was themselves a sinner
in the same fashion.
Nemesio
This is a little off-topic, but it's interesting. What leads you to believe that Jesus means within a "certain arena of sinfulness"? It makes more sense to me as being more general. Take into account the "cast the first stone" passage. I look at it as a caution against pointing to others while you've yet to get your own house in order - the "there are others worse than me" rationalization.
Since it is clear that every one is sinful to one degree or another, one
would be forced to conclude that everyone is a hypocrite. But certainly
that can't be true. Because I have lied in the past at one time or another,
but have repented and made amends does not make me 'a liar.' Consequently,
I have the right to judge a liar, to chastise them and insist that they
desist from such behavior. I am righteous in so doing. However, if I
am a liar -- lying regularly whenever I am pressed with a difficult scenario --
then I ought to 'clean my own house,' as you said, before casting judgment.
Regarding the woman caught in adultery, I do not think that Jesus was
asking people to suspend judgment (He Himself instructed her to avoid
the sin in the future), but to suspend executing the sentence imposed
by Mosaic Law, in all likelihood opining that stoning someone for adultery
is a barbaric practice not commensurate with the general values He seemed
to have espoused.
I'll ask you the same question as I asked KM: When would someone appropriately invoke that verse as a defense?
I would say that the person could justly invoke this verse as a defense
whenever an individual pronouncing judgment was themselves a sinner
in the same fashion.
Nemesio