1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    31 Mar '14 21:36
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    they will not be 'able' to sin. why? why not give adam those qualities in the first place?
    ... believers in heaven will have a body like Christ's without a sin nature.
    God's Plan required a human being for a test of human volition.
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    31 Mar '14 22:171 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    ... believers in heaven will have a body like Christ's without a sin nature.
    God's Plan required a human being for a test of human volition.
    there are numerous problems with your answer. ill point out a few.

    if god is happy with his son jesus, why would he need to test a different system.

    if god knows mans system will fail then why bother putting it into action.

    how do we know christ will not sin? we are given no time line on how long it took lucifer to turn and sin. at one point he was as pure as christ.

    the words 'human' and 'test' put together in the context of your post are pretty sick.

    why test something when you know 100% what the answer is???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????unless god didnt know the answer...........
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    31 Mar '14 23:421 edit
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    there are numerous problems with your answer. ill point out a few.

    if god is happy with his son jesus, why would he need to test a different system.

    if god knows mans system will fail then why bother putting it into action.

    how do we know christ will not sin? we are given no time line on how long it took lucifer to turn and sin. at one point he ...[text shortened]... ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????unless god didnt know the answer...........
    Thanks for what appeared to be genuine interest while it lasted; let's resume if and when the grandstanding ceases. -Bob
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    31 Mar '14 23:44
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
    How is eternity expressed mathematically?

    Here are the largest numbers I could find as a layman's point of reference:

    Googol: A large number. A "1" followed by one hundred zeros.
    10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

    Googolplex: The second largest number with a name.
    A "1" followed by a googol of zeros.
    See www.Googolplex.com

    Googolplexian: The worlds largest number with a name.
    A "1" followed by a googolplex of zeros.

    Googolplexian: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,
    000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, etc.

    http://www.googolplexian.com/

    Question: Is anyone able to fathom the infinite quantitative/qualitative aspect of an eternity with or separated from God?
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    01 Apr '14 00:21
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Thanks for what appeared to be genuine interest while it lasted; let's resume if and when the grandstanding ceases. -Bob
    It's funny how you, of all people who post here, should be trying to lecture others on "grandstanding". 🙂
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    01 Apr '14 00:28
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Rev. 20:11-15
    How does "second death" translate to "existing for eternity"?
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    01 Apr '14 00:30
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    .... maybe more like the open ended one posted by yoctobyte.
    Did you see the question I was replying to? FMF asked me how some text appeared, I said "like this".
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    01 Apr '14 00:49
    Originally posted by divegeester
    How does "second death" translate to "existing for eternity"?
    Synonymous with an unbeliever's entire being suffering in the Lake of Fire forever; otherwise God's justice is compromised.
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    01 Apr '14 00:50
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Did you see the question I was replying to? FMF asked me how some text appeared, I said "like this".
    Yes, divegeester. Thought the open ended white space without perimeter symbolized non linear eternity.
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    01 Apr '14 00:52
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Synonymous with an unbeliever's entire being suffering in the Lake of Fire forever; otherwise God's justice is compromised.
    I still don't see how "death" can be equated to "suffering for eternity"?
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    01 Apr '14 00:56
    Originally posted by divegeester
    I still don't see how "death" can be equated to "suffering for eternity"?
    Indeed. Bizarro-death.
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    01 Apr '14 00:57
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Synonymous with an unbeliever's entire being suffering in the Lake of Fire forever; otherwise God's justice is compromised.
    Bizarro-justice.
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  14. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    01 Apr '14 01:16
    Originally posted by divegeester
    I still don't see how "death" can be equated to "suffering for eternity"?
    "14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Rev. 20:11-15 The italicized phrase?
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    01 Apr '14 01:201 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." Rev. 20:11-15 The italicized phrase?
    Sorry GB but you are not making a cohesive point.

    My point is that "death" is not conducive to "eternal suffering". Whereby death is in fact the end and not eternity.
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