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    30 Jan '11 23:40
    ...not to fear God.

    If there is a God that created all that exists, then all that exists belongs to God.

    Right?
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    30 Jan '11 23:59
    Originally posted by josephw
    ...not to fear God.

    If there is a God that created all that exists, then all that exists belongs to God.

    Right?
    Not necessarily. Maybe He sold the rights to Disney and everything that exists belongs to them.
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    31 Jan '11 00:05
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Not necessarily. Maybe He sold the rights to Disney and everything that exists belongs to them.
    You're just dying to believe aren't you? 😳
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    31 Jan '11 00:28
    Originally posted by josephw
    ...not to fear God.

    If there is a God that created all that exists, then all that exists belongs to God.

    Right?
    So you're saying it is wise to fear "God",right?

    All belongs to god, but only in the sense that it belongs to no one.
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    31 Jan '11 00:46
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    So you're saying it is wise to fear "God",right?

    All belongs to god, but only in the sense that it belongs to no one.
    "So you're saying it is wise to fear "God",right?"

    What's to stop Him from doing what He wants?


    "All belongs to god, but only in the sense that it belongs to no one."

    Here you get a bit obtuse karoly. It is an absolute that, if God created all, then all belongs to Him. The concept is undilutable.
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    31 Jan '11 00:491 edit
    Originally posted by josephw
    ...not to fear God.

    If there is a God that created all that exists, then all that exists belongs to God.

    Right?
    How could there exist a God that created all that exists? In order for that to be the case, He would have to have created Himself, too, right? How would that work, exactly?

    If there is a God that created all that exists, then all that exists belongs to God.

    True...vacuously true, since the antecedent is false.

    The following is also true: If there is a God that created all that exists, then nothing belongs to God.
  7. Standard memberkaroly aczel
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    31 Jan '11 01:03
    Originally posted by josephw
    [b]"So you're saying it is wise to fear "God",right?"

    What's to stop Him from doing what He wants?


    "All belongs to god, but only in the sense that it belongs to no one."

    Here you get a bit obtuse karoly. It is an absolute that, if God created all, then all belongs to Him. The concept is undilutable.[/b]
    "Whats to stop him from doing what he wants?", how in the hell does that question answer my question. I can infer an answer, but really, you could've just said "Yes, hell yes. Fear him like you have never feared before." , or something in that vein.

    Whats to stop him from doing what he wants? What kind of question is that? It infers all kinds of implied concepts that are by no means agreed upon by any majority group, except maybe the christians.
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    31 Jan '11 01:05
    The only thing to fear is fear itself, and God. 🙂
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    31 Jan '11 01:06
    Originally posted by LemonJello
    How could there exist a God that created all that exists? In order for that to be the case, He would have to have created Himself, too, right? How would that work, exactly?

    [b]If there is a God that created all that exists, then all that exists belongs to God.


    True...vacuously true, since the antecedent is false.

    The following is also true: If there is a God that created all that exists, then nothing belongs to God.[/b]
    Not to mention the concept of ownership, which is erroneous as it implies dualism, is counterintuitive to the understanding of any workable concept of God.
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    31 Jan '11 01:07
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    "Whats to stop him from doing what he wants?", how in the hell does that question answer my question. I can infer an answer, but really, you could've just said "Yes, hell yes. Fear him like you have never feared before." , or something in that vein.

    Whats to stop him from doing what he wants? What kind of question is that? It infers all kinds of impl ...[text shortened]... ncepts that are by no means agreed upon by any majority group, except maybe the christians.
    The concept behind fearing God is to shune evil. In other words, wisdom comes when you realize that "sin", i.e. not doing Gods will, causes pain and suffering in your life and in the life of others.
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    31 Jan '11 01:08
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    Not to mention the concept of ownership, which is erroneous as it implies dualism, is counterintuitive to the understanding of any workable concept of God.
    Everything belongs to God....although he does make a variety of short term loans. 😛
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    31 Jan '11 01:09
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    The only thing to fear is fear itself, and God. 🙂
    The most fear I've ever experienced was the fear that I "held onto" in my own mind. It was false and I feel much wiser for undertanding, through direct experience, that fear has nothing to do with God.

    Fearing God?!?! Pfft. Such a backward concept.
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    31 Jan '11 01:11
    Originally posted by josephw
    [b]"So you're saying it is wise to fear "God",right?"

    What's to stop Him from doing what He wants?


    "All belongs to god, but only in the sense that it belongs to no one."

    Here you get a bit obtuse karoly. It is an absolute that, if God created all, then all belongs to Him. The concept is undilutable.[/b]
    What's to stop Him from doing what He wants?

    The fact that He does not exist, perhaps?

    Surely you must understand that this is not the best way to witness. Why don't you present actual evidential reasons that bear materially on the question of whether or not He exists? Or do you just not have any?
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    31 Jan '11 01:12
    Originally posted by whodey
    Everything belongs to God....although he does make a variety of short term loans. 😛
    The energy of the universe, which some call "God", is not interested in ownership. Only unenlightened demi-gods are under this erroneous assumption, ie. that we can own stuff and gain power through the ownership of stuff.
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    31 Jan '11 01:13
    Originally posted by whodey
    The concept behind fearing God is to shune evil. In other words, wisdom comes when you realize that "sin", i.e. not doing Gods will, causes pain and suffering in your life and in the life of others.
    Wisdom comes through responsiveness to good practical reasons at one's disposal. Contrary to what you say, this has nothing to do with the will of some magical sky fairy.
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