@mchill saidThe Trinity, like so much else in Christian dogma, is the invention of 3d and 4th c. theologians, for the 'benefit' of educated Greeks and Romans (gentiles), not what Jesus taught.
Unbelievers often struggle with this, since they can find little logic in it. The works of God are far above our ability to comprehend. As I've said here a number of times, there are some things you have to take on faith.
@mchill saidThat's one way to look at it.
Unbelievers often struggle with this, since they can find little logic in it. The works of God are far above our ability to comprehend. As I've said here a number of times, there are some things you have to take on faith.
Another way is that Believers often struggle with logic. They call such instances "faith". 😂😂😂
@mchill saidThe works of God are far above our ability to comprehend.
Unbelievers often struggle with this, since they can find little logic in it. The works of God are far above our ability to comprehend. As I've said here a number of times, there are some things you have to take on faith.
Well, well. This is such a Swiss army knife-type debating point.
@fmf saidActually, unbelievers don’t struggle with the Trinity at all. It’s Christians who do.And they have been excommunicated for falling on the wrong side of it, whichever side that is, for 1700 years.
The works of God are far above our ability to comprehend.
Well, well. This is such a Swiss army knife-type debating point.
@fmf saidWell, well. This is such a Swiss army knife-type debating point.
The works of God are far above our ability to comprehend.
Well, well. This is such a Swiss army knife-type debating point.
Yes, as I recall you've played this card a few times in the past when responding to my posts. Your sarcasm aside, the fact remains there are some things in the bible that simply cannot be explained logically.
@mchill saidDue to its tendency to be illogical and underpinned by myth and scientific errors.
the fact remains there are some things in the bible that simply cannot be explained logically.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDue to some people's will to believe in illogicalities, myths, and scientific errors. The Bible isn't at fault for that, but merely an expression of it.
Due to its tendency to be illogical and underpinned by myth and scientific errors.
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I don't know if all this hopping around a specific subject does it justice. Threads and threads of thoughts, opinions, and citations go for naught. It seems that this kind of zigzagging is very typical around these forums. The subject is quickly dropped and later resurfaces somewhere else in another form and title. We keep going over the same ground and never sit still long enough to seem to have brought a few minds together. Everyone seems like an epicure who snatches a taste of every dish which is successively brought to the table, not having allowed themselves time to enjoy the one before, so we have gone from one thread to another without having discovered the nature of the subject.
Intertextuality is where to look for groundbreaking ideas. And a little help from music helps with the concentration.
THEODORUS: Here we are, Socrates, true to our agreement of yesterday; and we bring with us a stranger from Elea, who is a disciple of Parmenides and Zeno, and a true philosopher.
SOCRATES: Is he not rather a god, Theodorus, who comes to us in the disguise of a stranger? For Homer says that all the gods, and especially the god of strangers, are companions of the meek and just, and visit the good and evil among men. And may not your companion be one of those higher powers, a cross-examining deity, who has come to spy out our weakness in argument, and to cross-examine us?
THEODORUS: Nay, Socrates, he is not one of the disputatious sort—he is too good for that. And, in my opinion, he is not a god at all; but divine he certainly is, for this is a title which I should give to all philosophers.
SOCRATES: Capital, my friend! and I may add that they are almost as hard to be discerned as the gods. For the true philosophers, and such as are not merely made up for the occasion, appear in various forms unrecognized by the ignorance of men, and they 'hover about cities,' as Homer declares, looking from above upon human life; and some think nothing of them, and others can never think enough; and sometimes they appear as statesmen, and sometimes as sophists; and then, again, to many they seem to be no better than madmen. I should like to ask our Eleatic friend, if he would tell us, what is thought about them in Italy, and to whom the terms are applied.
THEODORUS: What terms?
SOCRATES: Sophist, statesman, philosopher.
THEODORUS: What is your difficulty about them, and what made you ask?
SOCRATES: I want to know whether by his countrymen they are regarded as one or two; or do they, as the names are three, distinguish also three kinds, and assign one to each name?
THEODORUS: I dare say that the Stranger will not object to discuss the question. What do you say, Stranger?
STRANGER: I am far from objecting, Theodorus, nor have I any difficulty in replying that by us they are regarded as three. But to define precisely the nature of each of them is by no means a slight or easy task.