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    RBHILL: I will put RBHILL before each comment. This is a sad and sickening story about the JW’s Abuse. I am doing this out of LOVE not HATE please understand and respect that. I know it is long but I challenge all to read even atheists,

    http://watchthetower.net/test.html

    The Inside Story of a Former Third Generation Jehovah's Witness
    By: Paul Blizard
    To the average person, the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" brings to mind a group of neatly dressed people going from door to door in the neighborhood, selling the Watchtower magazine, or perhaps a book. However, when I think of Jehovah's Witnesses, I recall a lifetime of bondage to a cult which I served for the first 28 years of my life. My grandfather, son of a Baptist minister, became a part of the Watchtower Society in the early 1900s.
    RBHILL: Maybe ugly dressed. I am sad for Paul’s grandfather.
    I was taught that Jehovah's Witnesses were the only true religion. It is a religion governed from Watchtower headquarters in Brooklyn, New York. The controlling council or "Governing body" is comprised of a handful of elderly men who control the lives of over six million people. Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that everything written by Watchtower leaders is from God Himself and is never to be questioned. They believe that the Governing body receives what they call, "new light" from angelic beings which explain their unique Bible teachings. This angelic information, is passed on to the rank and file in printed form through Watchtower printed materials. They believe the Watchtower organization is the sole agency on the earth God is using. So, according to them, apart from the Watchtower organization, people have no hope. Jehovah's Witnesses believe they alone have what they call "the truth." They also believe they alone are the only true Christians, which means, they alone will be saved. All others are considered part of "Babylon the Great-the world empire of false religion." All church members and others will be slaughtered by Jehovah God at the battle of Armageddon.
    RBHILL: Why not get revelation for the Holy Spirit, why angels? JW’s are controlled by the governing body. Once again Robbie complained to me that I get my infomation from my pastor, yes and no because the Bible says to read and decide for yourself. He gets his infomation from 8 leaders.
    I began full-time Watchtower service in 1971 after dropping out of High School with the encouragement of Watchtower leaders. They had predicted the end of the world to occur in 1975. During this era, thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses cashed in insurance policies, abandoned careers, and sold their possessions to spend the "short time remaining" in the ministry work before the end of the world. As a missionary worker or "Pioneer," I went from door to door trying to convince people that they must become Jehovah's Witnesses to please God and perhaps receive salvation.
    RBHILL: This would suck to still be a JW after 1975. Suck to only PERHAPS receive salvation when the word of God says that you can know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:13.
    I use the word "perhaps" because all Jehovah's Witnesses are not sure of their salvation. The Watchtower's way of salvation is based upon works, rather than the saving grace of Jesus Christ, which through faith we freely receive.
    RBHILL: Amen! In Christ alone John 14:6 again I repeat Suck to only PERHAPS receive salvation when the word of God says that you can know that you have eternal life. 1 John 5:13.
    This works system of selling Watchtower books from door to door and other deeds, puts the individual Jehovah's Witness in a position to be saved if he is faithful to the organization and does all he is told to. Faithfulness to the organization also involves adhering to a host of rules and regulations, which Watchtower elders enforce with great zeal.
    RBHILL: MIND CONTROL.
    Violation of any rules as set forth by the Watchtower Society's governing body could result in punishment and restrictions, depending upon the offense. Elders have the power to take away salvation, restrict prayer life, to interrupt family communication or anything they deem necessary will bring a wayward Witness to repentance.
    RBHILL: Rejection doesn’t help, only love will help a ex-JW maybe come back to what they call repentance. Elders can’t take away salvation only Jehovah could but he won’t. How could you restrict prayer life?
    Each Jehovah's Witness must fill out monthly reports recording time spent in their proselytizing work to the elders. Elders put the information into a personal file. There are files kept on each member of the congregation. Secret files are also kept which also contain sensitive information regarding any major sins or infractions of rules and personal habits of individuals. These secret files related to a Witness' private life are transferred to master files at the New York City headquarters. These files are never destroyed.
    RBHILL: Scary controlling crap.
    Since I had been living in this system all my life, I knew what was expected of me. I had to follow the rules and laws to gain salvation. I had been going from door to door since I was a small child, so I adapted to full-time service easily.
    RBHILL: God saves you through Jesus not your own works. John 14:6, John 3:16 and many other verses.
    I continued such service for a number of years, but with little satisfaction. The burden of keeping up with the monthly quotas of 100 hours of time, as well as sales of a minimum of 100 magazines and 40 books, started to discourage me. All of this work is voluntary and there are no salaries paid. Witnesses must find employment that will support this work.
    RBHILL: This would suck.
    In 1973, I was invited to go to the World Headquarters in Brooklyn to be part of the vast staff of workers who produce the literature. In a personal letter from the president of The Watchtower Society, Nathan H. Knorr, he stated: "Additionally, you are going to get a wonderful four-year advanced theocratic training which is far better than any secular education you can get."
    RBHILL: Better the secular education 🙄
    With much anticipation I boarded a plane for New York City. While on the plane I recalled all my friends' envy, in that I was going to be living with the Governing body members, and how grand it would be to be at the hub of all the activity of the work around the world. My friends gave me going-away parties and gifts, commending my proud parents on raising me in the organization so well that they could see their son go to such a place.
    RBHILL: oh, no he had parties and his friends were envious.
    Soon after arriving in New York, the illusion wore off as I was assigned to work in the factory. Hard labor and learning the ways of the organization from the inside out was the "education" I obtained at Watchtower headquarters. Space does not permit details of what I experienced while spending long hours working in the book bindery. There I operated equipment for "God's organization." I recall the mental stress of a profusion of rules and regulations. The master plan of the Watchtower leaders controlled where we went, what we did, and how we did it.
    RBHILL: Controlling, he had no fun.
    After spending three years at headquarters, with no money to start out in the world (our pay was $14.00 (U.S.) per month), I learned the harsh reality of trying to make a living with no training or skills. Jehovah's Witnesses are strongly discouraged from attending college. I married a good Jehovah's Witness girl, and we set out together trying to please God the best way we knew how. That is, we were good Jehovah's Witnesses and followed all the rules and laws. My wife had been a missionary for eight years. Pat had been sent to different parts of the United States in her work, under the direction of the Watchtower Society.
    RBHILL: no money and education will put you on the street like Nicky Cruz was in run baby run. His wife was told were to go. Why not be directed by the Holy Spirit for yourself?
    After I returned home with a fairly "clean file" from the New York office, the local elders were using me quite extensively in teaching from the platform. Most Jehovah's Witnesses agree that anyone who has spent any time at headquarters is special and worthy of greater responsibilities in the local congregation.
    RBHILL: No comment.
    As I gained status in the congregation, I was being exposed to and trained in some of the undercover work of the local elders. It was exciting sninking around in the darkness, spying on members of the congregation who were suspected of wrongdoing. I also was given access to the congregation files, which revealed the inside information of all in the congregation. I was being used in the same kind of covert operations I had seen control the workers at headquarters.
    RBHILL: This is not truly a Godly group of people. Jehovah wouldn’t need your help for this.
    Through all this I could not receive any satisfaction and peace. The pressure of trying to serve a God who is vengeful and full of wrath is more than I can describe. The organization always painted a picture of Jehovah as a God ready to "pour out vengeance." All I knew of God was what I read in the Watchtower. Yes, we did read the Bible, but were told that if we did so apart from the Watchtower books to interpret it, we were destined to fall into apostasy and ultimately be destroyed by God.
    RBHILL: God is a God of Love. Can we say controlling again?
    A friend introduced me to a book that was written by a former Jehovah's Witness called "Thirty Years a Watchtower Slave." I knew that my duty as a good Witness was to turn in my friend to the elders, for we were forbidden to read any anti-Witness material.
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    RBHILL: I Challenge all you JW’s to read this and tell me your thoughts, Thanks. I will also get the book myself and read it with you if you want to. http://www.amazon.com/Years-Watchtower-Slave-Confessions-Converted/dp/0801063841
    But in defiance, I read the book. It disturbed me greatly, for the author was a former worker at headquarters, and I could relate to many of the things he was saying. Many things that I had tried to erase from my memory were surfacing again, and questions of the Watchtower's authority left me very unsettled. The author mentioned that he had found the truth by studying the Bible apart from Watchtower publications.
    RBHILL: Good for Paul, Praise God! Why not have witnesses to the Gangs back in N.Y. like David Wilkerson did in run baby run?
    All this time I believe God was leading us to study His Word alone apart from books. Even though we had our own New World Translation of the Bible (translated by the Watchtower Society and refuted by Hebrew and Greek scholars as being a biased, twisted version of the Bible), we bought a New American Standard Bible.
    RBHILL: Cool!
    My wife and I secretly studied our new Bible long hours into the night, discovering that many of the major doctrines that we had been willing to die for were false. I shared with my father some of the things I had discovered. Being an elder, my father saw that I was questioning some of their main teachings, and he reported my wife and I to the elders, to stand trial for apostasy.
    RBHILL: Some father 🙄 why not show your son love?
    After a lengthy, tearful hearing, we repented of doubting the Watchtower Society and were allowed to remain as Jehovah's Witnesses, but I was stripped of all my responsibilities in the congregation. I was to be watched for a period of time before serving in any capacity in the congregation again. All this information was noted on our files.
    RBHILL: Controlling.
    A job transfer to another town was a welcome relief. We looked forward to entering another congregation and getting a fresh start. But soon the disappointment came when we remembered that the details of our trial was in our files and would follow us wherever we went for the rest of our lives!
    RBHILL: Good for the Job transfer but the other stuff is creepy and scary, it reminds me of the mark of the beast in a way.
    Of course, the elders in the new congregation had our files soon after we started to attend the meetings. They told us they would be watching us for a while to see if these apostate ideas of ours would resurface. They warned us they would excommunicate us if we tried to share such ideas with anyone in the congregation. We vowed loyalty to the organization, and said we would not read or speak about anything that would be different from the Watchtower's position on Scripture.
    RBHILL: Controlling.
    Two years passed. Being under the elders' scrutiny left us very empty. Nothing, not even our children who had brought us so much joy, made our lives fulfilling. We had a need for something, but what it was we did not know. We would drink to excess often, searching for some kind of joy, but only emptiness resulted.
    RBHILL: It was Jesus that was missing in their lives and heart.
    Having two boys, we longed for a girl to be born and hoped that having a little girl would complete the happiness missing from our family. On Aug. 10, 1980, Jenny Leigh Blizard was born. We were so excited but tragedy struck. At five weeks old, Jenny received a small cut on a finger which would not stop bleeding. Local doctors found that Jenny's blood simply would not clot.
    RBHILL: Very Sad to hear this 🙁
    They sent us to San Antonio, Texas, for treatment of Jenny's condition. She was admitted to Santa Rosa Medical Center's special care nursery, looking for the treatment that would make Jenny well. Doctors worked feverishly trying to reach a diagnosis.
    RBHILL: Praise God for Doctors.
    Finally, a team of doctors informed us that Jenny needed an emergency blood transfusion to save her life. This was a difficult problem for us because Watchtower law does not permit any Jehovah's Witness to take blood in any form. Jehovah's Witnesses carry cards stating that under no circumstances will they take a transfusion, even if it means death.
    RBHILL: This is scary stuff, God would want you to get a transfusion because it bring life and not death. God is the God of the living not the dead.
    We sent the doctors out of the room and told them that we would give them our answer soon. My wife and I prayed and cried out to God for answers. I remember thinking; "Oh Jehovah, how can you ask me to make such a decision - a yes or no whether Jenny lives or dies! What kind of God are you!" Finally my wife and I called the doctors back into the room, and we informed them that we had to obey God's law and we would have to let Jenny die.

    RBHILL: Really WT law. This is sad.
    The hospital officials contacted the Texas Child Welfare Dept. and a suit was filed against us for child abuse and neglect. A court order was issued to ensure that Jenny would receive the blood she needed to save her life. The Sheriff's Department of Bexar County issued us citations and warned the hospital staff not to allow us to remove Jenny from the hospital. They knew full well that Jehovah's Witnesses have a long history of sneaking patients out of hospitals to avoid blood transfusions at all costs.
    RBHILL: Here I am glad it was considered Child abuse.
    My wife and I were secretly relieved that Jenny would get the care she needed to save her life. We felt we had done all we could in trying to stop them from giving her the blood. We never thought the courts would intervene.
    RBHILL: 😀
    Reporters of two San Antonio newspapers, "The San Antonio Express/News" and "The San Antonio Light," learned about Jenny and exposed the story, though we refused to talk to the reporters. In retrospect, I commend their work.
    RBHILL: I am glad the news was thee to point out how evil the JW’s are.
    In the meantime, friends contacted the local elders, who promptly came to visit us. They were relieved to find out that there was still time to plan a way to kidnap Jenny out of the hospital before blood could be administered.

    RBHILL: Stupid people.
    I explained to them that the matter was out of my hands and that I was under court order not to remove Jenny. That did not matter to them. Their main concern was to get her out.
    RBHILL: Did they not just hear what Paul said?
    I knew that Jenny would shortly die if I removed her from the machines that were keeping her alive, and I would be charged with murder. I explained this to the elders. They replied, "That's the chance you have to take! You cannot allow them to give your child blood!"
    RBHILL: How evil these people are. This is just stupid, God would what this girl to live and not die. The JW’s hate life and love death so therefore they HATE Jesus. They hate life so much that they don’t celebrate the life of someone every year.
    Without further discussion, I asked them to leave, stating that we could not allow our child to die in this way. "If this is the God I serve, I am through with Him."
    RBHILL: Praise God! Good for Paul for standing up to them and to stand up for life and not death.
    The elders left the hospital angry that we would not submit to their demands "I hope," one elder even said, "she gets hepatitis from that blood, just to prove that it's bad!"
    RBHILL: How sickening of this elder, I would rather have the child get hepatitis and live a few more years then die that day. That Elders family is curse for sure, because he loves death and not life.
    When we finally returned home with Jenny, the Witnesses had received word that even though we had protested the transfusion, We "allowed" her to take it. This made us outcasts in their eyes. They did not excommunicate us because their law calling for expulsion would have applied only if we had freely given permission for the transfusion.
    RBHILL: Show love not rejection to win people back.
    This is when we feel God stepped in. Local Christians came to our home and helped us out with food and helpful aid. The living testimony of these people affected my wife and I so much that we decided to start again studying the Bible.
    RBHILL: Praise God!
    Those months of intense secret study of the Bible led us to conclude we had lived a lie. We had been in bondage to a system of interpretation of scripture which squelched any free thinking. On the issues and doctrinal points that I had so much trouble, the Bible was clear. I read the Bible in context, without the aid of books or magazines to instruct us.
    RBHILL: The way you should read the Bible (word of God). WT books are truly bondage.
    The result of this study was that we found all we needed for Salvation was faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. We also found that He is a God of love.
    RBHILL: Yes a God of love and life not a god of hate and death. This Bible says that God is love but I know that you know it says that so I don’t need to post the verse, but I will do it in love 1 John 4:8.
    One night, my wife and I held hands and gave our lives to the Lord Jesus Christ. Suddenly, we felt a release in our spirit, a release that brought freedom, liberty, and salvation. We were, as Jesus said: "born again." I had never had a feeling like it in all the thousands of hours I had spent striving to please God as a good Jehovah's Witness. We knew that we were changed. We were a "new creation." As the Apostle John said: "These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God." (I John 5:13)
    RBHILL: Praise God what an amazing testimony of coming to faith in Jesus Christ!
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    Of course, we were promptly disfellowshipped from the Jehovah's Witness religion. Under the rules of our excommunication, we cannot have contact with any of our family and life long friends in the organization. Our own parents and family members will not be allowed to go to our funerals. According to the Watchtower law, we are to be regarded as dead. Any Witnesses caught talking to us are subject to judicial action, including disfellowshipping.
    RBHILL: How evil, it is love that wins people not rejection! This rejection is not of the true living God.
    In conclusion, I must say that we are not dead, but very much alive. Yes, we are dead to a former way of life, but alive in Jesus Christ, full of the Holy Spirit and power, saved by the blood of the Lamb!
    RBHILL: Glory to God, Halleluiah, praise the Lord!
    Jenny's condition was more serious than what a transfusion could permanently correct. The transfusions given to her as an infant did prolong her life, but on March 3, 1987, our six- year-old Jenny went home to be with the Lord. On Jenny's memorial stone it is inscribed: "God's special messenger." We believe she truly was. Through her illness and brief life, we came to recognize the deception of the Watchtower Society, profess and receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and share this redemptive knowledge with Jehovah's Witnesses around the world.
    RBHILL: How sad, this is very touching. Praise God for “God’s special messenger.”
    In addition, during the final 39 days of Jenny's life, in Dallas' Children's Medical Center, My wife and I spent much of our time praying and testifying for Christ with families of other serious and terminally ill children at the hospital.
    RBHILL: Praise God for their testimony and boldness to share their faith.
    Finally, some details of Jenny's funeral attest to the evil nature of the Watchtower Society and the control it holds over its members. At Jenny's funeral, the first four pews were reserved for family members. The remaining rows of pews were open to church family and local townspeople. The latter were packed. People from all over came to share in the grief of the loss of this small child. However, the pews set aside for Jenny's family were occupied by only four people -- Myself, my wife Pat, and Jenny's two brothers. No other family members attended the funeral. They were ordered not to by Watchtower leaders. The callousness shown by the Watchtower Society in forbidding relatives from attending the service is deplorable.
    RBHILL: How evil indeed, God would want you to still love your family if they left the WTS. Also Controlling.
    In 2007 my father passed away. Not one family member called to let me know of his death.
    RBHILL: Suck for his dad. And still evil to not let them know of his death.
    Our prayer is through our testimony those caught in religious bondage will wake up to the freedom found only in the person of Jesus Christ.
    RBHILL: AMEN!
    Let me encourage anybody who is thinking of the "losses" if they abandon the Watchtower to follow Jesus Christ. There is a price to pay, there is a cost. Yes, your Jehovah's Witness friends will not speak to you, perhaps even your own family will leave you as orphans. However, if you give your life to Jesus Christ, you will have a heavenly Father who will supply all your needs and then some! Psalm 27:10 says "For my father and my mother have forsaken me, But the LORD will take me up." Since we left the Watchtower, we have made hundreds of wonderful friends and have a church family who love us. You are in for blessings you cannot even imagine. One Bible text which has become special to us recently is, Job 42:10: "The LORD restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the LORD increased all that Job had twofold." Yes the loss of a child is devastating; however we have received a twofold blessing. In December of 2002 we adopted twin orphan girls from Russia. Our new daughters are truly gifts from God. Trust in God, believe in Him, and let Him take care of the details!
    RBHILL: I agree that God will supply all your need and some. I agree with him. THANKS for taking the time to read this. What an amazing testimony of want a cult can do to you and how then Jesus Christ can set you free. John 8:32
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    17 May '13 20:06
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    RBHILL: I Challenge all you JW’s to read this and tell me your thoughts, Thanks. I will also get the book myself and read it with you if you want to. http://www.amazon.com/Years-Watchtower-Slave-Confessions-Converted/dp/0801063841
    But in defiance, I read the book. It disturbed me greatly, for the author was a former worker at headquarters, and I could relate ...[text shortened]... Under the rules of our excommunication, we cannot have...
    im sure there are many people have had bad experiences with j.w's (and good). i have a couple of horror stories myself (although i was called a liar when i told our resident j.w's the stories). but...

    isnt this indicative of most religions and large groups? there are lots of catholic horror stories. where there is power there is abuse. although im an atheist i would say that these stories do not detract from the message of the religion but are good examples of how easily group mentality can become corrupted and easily loose sight of the core beliefs.

    power corrupts and that applies to the heads of church, elders, ayatollahs and grand wizards.
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    17 May '13 21:29
    Originally posted by stellspalfie
    im sure there are many people have had bad experiences with j.w's (and good). i have a couple of horror stories myself (although i was called a liar when i told our resident j.w's the stories). but...

    isnt this indicative of most religions and large groups? there are lots of catholic horror stories. where there is power there is abuse. although im an ...[text shortened]...
    power corrupts and that applies to the heads of church, elders, ayatollahs and grand wizards.
    Thanks for taking the time to read.
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    All I can say is WOW! Sad, sad, sad. But it is probably true of many sects.
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    Originally posted by RBHILL
    RBHILL: I will put RBHILL before each comment. This is a sad and sickening story about the JW’s Abuse. I am doing this out of LOVE not HATE please understand and respect that. I know it is long but I challenge all to read even atheists,

    http://watchthetower.net/test.html

    The Inside Story of a Former Third Generation Jehovah's Witness
    By: Paul Blizard re forbidden to read any anti-Witness material.
    1st wrong: "Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that everything written by Watchtower leaders is from God Himself "and is never to be questioned."

    1st answer: I have never once heard or been told that we do not question the WTS in my 50 years of being one. My Dad was an elder for most of those years and was never told to say that to anyone or seen it in writting from the WTS.
    I personally have written the WTS on a couple subjects and never once was told not to question them on anything.

    So this gentleman is either lieing or has a strong misunderstanding of the WTS.

    I will answer more this evening or tomorrow but by looking ahead I can see many misunderstandings or lies by a person or persons who are doing this because the WTS did not fit what they wanted it to be and became angry.
    Just as the parrable of the wheat andweeds, it does happen within God's organization. Many are drawn to it but soon fade away and get hurt because of our stand on the Bible's teachings of excusing those who turn their backs on it. This is unlike the churches who call themselves Christian but will let just about anyone into their churches as long as they pay $$$$$ into the collection plates. Even now to the point of letting homosexuals teach from their pulpits.
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    18 May '13 00:16
    Originally posted by galveston75
    1st wrong: "Jehovah's Witnesses are taught that everything written by Watchtower leaders is from God Himself "and is never to be questioned."

    1st answer: I have never once heard or been told that we do not question the WTS in my 50 years of being one. My Dad was an elder for most of those years and was never told to say that to anyone or seen it in wr ...[text shortened]... r has a strong misunderstanding of the WTS.

    I will answer more this evening or tomorrow.
    Cool thanks for reading. It's a shame Robbie won't read it or comment.
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    18 May '13 00:25
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Cool thanks for reading. It's a shame Robbie won't read it or comment.
    Perhaps he's seen all this before, just as I have and is tired of the same old stuff.
    We hear this all our life's and it only proves to us, not you of course, that the Bible is correct in saying that "his people will be objects of hatered by all the nations".
    If we did not hear this stuff all the time then we would be just like all the other churches that are hardly ever accused of anything, that have it pretty easy in this and other countries.

    So.....this will not be the last time these many misguided accusations will be posted here by a long shot. I just wish you guys would take our answers when we do take the time to answer, accept them and just move on. But then we know that will not happen as just the Bible says.
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    18 May '13 00:45
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Perhaps he's seen all this before, just as I have and is tired of the same old stuff.
    We hear this all our life's and it only proves to us, not you of course, that the Bible is correct in saying that "his people will be objects of hatered by all the nations".
    If we did not hear this stuff all the time then we would be just like all the other churche ...[text shortened]... accept them and just move on. But then we know that will not happen as just the Bible says.
    It's not hatred, and there is less persecution of Jehovah witnesses than any other true Christian organization.
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    18 May '13 00:52
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    All I can say is WOW! Sad, sad, sad. But it is probably true of many sects.
    When I left the Catholic Church my mom still left me. My cousin's is a flaming liberal democrat and is an atheist and I still love him and pray for him every day that God will give him dreams and visions of himself.
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    18 May '13 00:54
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    It's not hatred, and there is less persecution of Jehovah witnesses than any other true Christian organization.
    Yes it is but not going to get into that again. But mark my word my friend, you will see it happen and you'll remember my words on this. Soon satan will turn all he can against god's people and most will be a part of it. Maybe even you.....

    But another reason we get tired of answering these same old accusations is when we do point out the wrong in them just as I have with this on point, then no one answers with any comments and they just move on to the next.
    If one were to stop and consider the answer and then realize that if this is wrong, then maybe other accusations are wrong too.
    I can tell you the answer I gave is truthful and honest but yet you or no one else here will acknoweldge it, so that's when we give up and don't respond. If you don't believe us with even one responce, why should we keep trying to convience you about the others?
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    18 May '13 00:56
    Just as the parrable of the wheat andweeds, it does happen within God's organization. Many are drawn to it but soon fade away and get hurt because of our stand on the Bible's teachings of excusing those who turn their backs on it. This is unlike the churches who call themselves Christian but will let just about anyone into their churches as long as they pay $$$$$ into the collection plates. Even now to the point of letting homosexuals teach from their pulpits.[/b]
    Your organization collects money too. And also encourages only to give money to them. You should also give to other organizations that help people in need like for orphans and widows too, not just to the WTS.
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    18 May '13 01:00
    Originally posted by galveston75
    Yes it is but not going to get into that again. But mark my word my friend, you will see it happen and you'll remember my words on this. Soon satan will turn all he can against god's people and most will be a part of it. Maybe even you.....

    But another reason we get tired of answering these same old accusations is when we do point out the wrong in t ...[text shortened]... eve us with even one responce, why should we keep trying to convience you about the others?
    Okay what did you answer truthfully?

    Never ever have I seen the Jehovah witnesses be persecuted it's always other churches and even that Satanic one Mormon church gets persecuted.

    Maybe only atheists will persecute you guys at least on this forum but that's it.
  15. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    18 May '13 01:01
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    Thanks for taking the time to read.
    Why not write about your own religion and your own beliefs
    rather than another's?

    This is as bad as theists telling atheists what they believe in.

    You want to attack JWs? ... then wait until Robbie or G voice an opinion and then debate them.
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