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Originally posted by avalanchethecatThanks, it took me all day to come up with that gem.
Hmm, you make a compelling argument...
Originally posted by PinkFloydMuch as I'd like to agree, I don't see much evidence that stands up to objective scrutiny. Which is of course why faith is required. I think my point in raising this thread was to question why the fact that people tend to follow the religion that they're brought up to follow doesn't raise questions in the mind of the followers.
I find plenty of evidence, plus there's that little word called FAITH.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatI think my point in raising this thread was to question why the fact that people tend to follow the religion that they're brought up to follow doesn't raise questions in the mind of the followers.
Much as I'd like to agree, I don't see much evidence that stands up to objective scrutiny. Which is of course why faith is required. I think my point in raising this thread was to question why the fact that people tend to follow the religion that they're brought up to follow doesn't raise questions in the mind of the followers.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatYou'll have to give your standards for this "objective scrutiny" failsafe you're touting as the iceberg to Christianity's alleged Titanic-like qualities.
Much as I'd like to agree, I don't see much evidence that stands up to objective scrutiny. Which is of course why faith is required. I think my point in raising this thread was to question why the fact that people tend to follow the religion that they're brought up to follow doesn't raise questions in the mind of the followers.
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In my experience, most people who actually study these things have very much higher estimation for the intellect and abilities of our ancestors than the media and the general public. As far as I can gather, the supposedly 'Victorian' attitudes regarding 'brutish ape-men' went out of the window in the academic world along with the idea of the racial ...[text shortened]... those of modern chimpanzees. Or, see http://www.evolutionpages.com/homo_pan_divergence.htm.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatApparently 75% of people in australia vote as same as their parents too. 😕
Much as I'd like to agree, I don't see much evidence that stands up to objective scrutiny. Which is of course why faith is required. I think my point in raising this thread was to question why the fact that people tend to follow the religion that they're brought up to follow doesn't raise questions in the mind of the followers.
Originally posted by vishvahetuYeah, thats basically what you get.
I see the athiests and religious people bash it out here in this forum day and night, and its been going on forever in the world.
But, the religious people ask for it, because they put forward erroneous beliefs about god, and its no wonder they get flogged by the atheists.
But the fact is that a person is a spiritual being, eternal and without begin ...[text shortened]... lgious people, will continuingly be attacked by the atheists, because they are surely erroneous.
Originally posted by jaywillTo me, the weakness of the intelligent design idea is that the 'intelligence' in question based everything 'it' made on something it made earlier, with a slight tweak or two here and there. There are a lot of inherited weaknesses in the 'design' of the human animal which would have been easy to iron out at the prototype stage. Why would god produce shonky goods?
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That said, while this may ostensibly appear to weaken the case for human evolution, the genetic evidence is pretty much slam-dunk. Have a look at the chromosome maps for modern humans compared to those of modern chimpanzees. Or, see http://www.evolutionpages.com/homo_pan_divergence.htm.
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatI've just read a couple of chapters on cell structure by some guy with a phd. (If anyone is actually interested in the author, I will dig up the name)
To me, the weakness of the intelligent design idea is that the 'intelligence' in question based everything 'it' made on something it made earlier, with a slight tweak or two here and there. There are a lot of inherited weaknesses in the 'design' of the human animal which would have been easy to iron out at the prototype stage. Why would god produce shonky goods?
Originally posted by karoly aczelI would sure like to see some scientific trials to back up what sounds like a pretty interesting idea - I'm naturally sceptical, you understand, but hey, once you accept quantum theory it's hard to close doors like these! And certainly I think that a positive attitude can influence one's general health. Go on Kaz, dig up his name for me.
I've just read a couple of chapters on cell structure by some guy with a phd. (If anyone is actually interested in the author, I will dig up the name)
His basic contention was that the "intelligence " of a cell is contained not within the nucleus, but within the membrane of the cell. His contention was that cells can be manipulated from the outside b ...[text shortened]... oints of contention interesting in your more complete understanding of the (human)world🙂 )
Originally posted by jaywillNot long ago you said you knew nothing about genetics?!
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That said, while this may ostensibly appear to weaken the case for human evolution, the genetic evidence is pretty much slam-dunk. Have a look at the chromosome maps for modern humans compared to those of modern chimpanzees. Or, see http://www.evolutionpages.com/homo_pan_divergence.htm.
=================== ...[text shortened]... arity could also be explained by intelligent design.
Not a slam dunk. Perhaps, a slam dash.