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Surely all Christians should pray for old Lucifer...
I mean, if anyone's soul needs savin'....it's his...
I mean, if anyone's soul needs savin'....it's his...
Originally posted by shavixmirHe's already been sentenced; this is just the appeal phase of the trial. He'll even get a shot at incarceration, and that won't change him, either.
Surely all Christians should pray for old Lucifer...
I mean, if anyone's soul needs savin'....it's his...
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo is he outside time like God or within the universe?
He's already been sentenced; this is just the appeal phase of the trial. He'll even get a shot at incarceration, and that won't change him, either.
Originally posted by twhiteheadSo is he outside time like God or within the universe?
So is he outside time like God or within the universe?
God and you know that he wont change (and I am sure he over heard us speaking) so what happened to his free will?
Just like us God created him, gave him free will, but neglected to give him the intelligence to know what the right choices were. Surely that comes down to negligence on Gods part?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo is this universe time or external universe time? Was satan created, lived, and sentenced all before man was created but withing the time of the universe?
No. Limited to the local (much to his chagrin).
He is free right now. As stated, his sentence has already been rendered. This phase that we live in (human history) is the appeal process that God granted Satan in order for him to make his few cases against God's judgment.
Originally posted by twhiteheadWas satan created, lived, and sentenced all before man was created but withing the time of the universe?
So is this universe time or external universe time? Was satan created, lived, and sentenced all before man was created but withing the time of the universe?
[b]You mean you haven't made a choice?
Yes I have made a choice, but you are telling me it is the wrong choice. Hence I must be not intelligent enough to know what the right choice is (or simp ...[text shortened]... tcome may not be already determined? Or is God like a big cat that likes to toy with its mice?[/b]
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSo it is my arrogance that has caused me to make the wrong decision. So why is it not negligence on Gods part to have given me arrogance and not you?
It is not for lack of intelligence or information that you have made your current decision. However, I may be wrong on the information part. Perhaps you are not aware what it takes (according to God) for a man to be saved. You may have been raised or exposed to those who treated Christianity as though it were a religion, full of taboos and ought-nots and w ...[text shortened]... He did the work, our part is simple: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved.
Originally posted by ChurlantBecause allowing Lucifer to roam free is a necessary condition of this being the best of all possible worlds. A world is the best of all possible worlds if and only if it corresponds perfectly to the will of God. So, God allowed Lucifer to roam free because God willed that Lucifer roam free. Dizzy yet?
I cannot see a "loving" God allowing Lucifer to continue existing, yet not be held accountable for doing so.
If the state allowed a vicious killer to remain free, I suspect a few calls to the Governor's office would be in order - even without the convenience of knowing for sure whether said killer would actually harm anyone (omniscience, in other words). ...[text shortened]... t, no one seems to hold Him to His responsibility in the matter. I wonder why that is?
-JC
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI hate it when the director is also the screenwriter. And the star.
Look--without tension the system would be inert. "Evil is the active springing from energy". The entire production would be scrapped if there wasn't an engaging villain to keep us all entertained. Thank God for the Devil!
Originally posted by bbarrI believe the standard "explanation" is that we, as humans with free (and sometimes evil) will "allow" Lucifer to remain through our negative actions and if he were removed by God, this event would contradict God's promise of free will.
Because allowing Lucifer to roam free is a necessary condition of this being the best of all possible worlds. A world is the best of all possible worlds if and only if it corresponds perfectly to the will of God. So, God allowed Lucifer to roam free because God willed that Lucifer roam free. Dizzy yet?