Originally posted by Agerg It's not a cinch trying to debate with creationists for the simple reason they live by the mantra "The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it" - RJHinds is a classic example.
A live debate is all about your ability to perform and your ability to sell - as opposed to how factual your arguments are. Richard Dawkins is correct in avoiding fighting ...[text shortened]... [b]they win!. Debating with them with any expectation the debate has any point is silly.[/b]
That's because we Christians have the truth of God on our side.
Originally posted by Agerg [b]Well at least they got him to say that there will be no more apes that
evolve into men, since that is not the way evolution works in these
modern times. A very convenient development.
He didn't say that, he said we didn't evolve from modern monkeys. Trying to explain the distinction to you is a waste of my time.[/b]
not everything is debatable. not everything can be solved by logic arguments, especially if the believes of both parties differ by unmeasrubale distances.
whereas a solution might eventually be reached, its costs in terms of time and energy are just too high. there are more important things in life than turning the last resistent (non)believer into the opposite. that guy must eat, sooner or later...
Originally posted by twhitehead It is very common and well documented. Everything from genes being copied to insertions by virus's and even whole DNA strands being copied (the last one usually leads to speciation if the resulting organism is viable.) Several well known genetic diseases are a result of the these effects eg Down syndrome:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome
I think you misunderstood what divegeester meant in his question:
"I wonder if there has been an example of a dna mutation which has
increased the genetic information."
What he was referring to is an increase in the genetic information
that would be an overall improvement for good. Genetic diseases and
Down syndrome does not qualify. So the real answer is a big fat NO.
Originally posted by RJHinds What he was referring to is an increase in the genetic information
that would be an overall improvement for good. Genetic diseases and
Down syndrome does not qualify. So the real answer is a big fat NO.
no mutation increases the 'genetic information'. it may increase 'the length' or 'amount'. and while not impossible, no 'overall improvement for good' is known - mutations can be interpreted as 'positive' or 'negative' depending on the environment (the exact same mutation might make an organism die in a certain environment, while it allows it to survive, if there would be different circumstances...)
Originally posted by twhitehead Education is "brainwashing"? You clearly went to a very bad school.
[b]If the truth of atheism is as painfully obvious as you claim, then it should be a cinch to defend, right? Well, it's not. It is. We do it all the time in these forums. Even those of us with poor debating skills find it remarkably easy to defend.
Whether atheism is true o ...[text shortened]... o the conclusion that I should not be ridiculing people that clearly hold nonsensical views?
You lacked the maturity at the age of 13 to settle the God question.
I think it would be wise for you to revist that question because your
eternal salvation may depend on it. You are not likely to get the
answers you need just discussing it on this forum with lay people
like us. You need to seek out the professional theologians for proper
understanding of some of your concerns. Seek the opinions of more
than one expert to verify you are getting the correct information and
compare scripture with their answers.
Originally posted by twhitehead Education is "brainwashing"? You clearly went to a very bad school.
[b]If the truth of atheism is as painfully obvious as you claim, then it should be a cinch to defend, right? Well, it's not. It is. We do it all the time in these forums. Even those of us with poor debating skills find it remarkably easy to defend.
Whether atheism is true o ...[text shortened]... o the conclusion that I should not be ridiculing people that clearly hold nonsensical views?
You lacked the maturity at the age of 13 to settle the God question.
I think it would be wise for you to revist that question because your
eternal salvation may depend on it. You are not likely to get the
answers you need just discussing it on this forum with lay people
like us. You need to seek out the professional theologians for proper
understanding of some of your concerns. Seek the opinions of more
than one expert to verify you are getting the correct information and
compare scripture with their answers.
Originally posted by twhitehead Education is "brainwashing"? You clearly went to a very bad school.
[b]If the truth of atheism is as painfully obvious as you claim, then it should be a cinch to defend, right? Well, it's not. It is. We do it all the time in these forums. Even those of us with poor debating skills find it remarkably easy to defend.
Whether atheism is true o ...[text shortened]... o the conclusion that I should not be ridiculing people that clearly hold nonsensical views?
You lacked the maturity at the age of 13 to settle the God question.
I think it would be wise for you to revist that question because your
eternal salvation may depend on it. You are not likely to get the
answers you need just discussing it on this forum with lay people
like us. You need to seek out the professional theologians for proper
understanding of some of your concerns. Seek the opinions of more
than one expert to verify you are getting the correct information and
compare scripture with their answers.
Originally posted by tharkesh no mutation increases the 'genetic information'. it may increase 'the length' or 'amount'. and while not impossible, no 'overall improvement for good' is known - mutations can be interpreted as 'positive' or 'negative' depending on the environment (the exact same mutation might make an organism die in a certain environment, while it allows it to survive, if there would be different circumstances...)
The idea that a mutation "might" do good is only speculation. There is
no proof that anything good has come from mutations. That's a fact Jack!
Originally posted by jaywill [b]==========================================
That's because we Christians have the truth of God on our side
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I think it is more like God won us over to His side through salvation in Christ. Then He could say "See? I am on your side."[/b]
The point of it all is we need God to find the truth.
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