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Originally posted by DoctorScribblesIts contingent on a sentiment of reconciliation.
Why should anybody care?
Originally posted by DragonFriendOK. Why doesn't Jesus say as much in the gospels? This thread is titled The Gospel yet you quote from the letter to the Romans.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
All you must do is accept the Gift to spend eterniity in Heaven with God.
Rom 10:9 Because if you confess the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageMatthew 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
OK. Why doesn't Jesus say as much in the gospels? This thread is titled The Gospel yet you quote from the letter to the Romans.
About sin--I remember a quote, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". Now if memory serves only Jesus is sinless. Does that give him the right to hurl rocks at me?
Originally posted by dj2beckerWhere's the Hell?
Matthew 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Originally posted by dj2beckerDeep symbolism...but what does "remission of sins" actually mean? I'm convinced that it means healing: achieving wholeness here and now.
Matthew 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 26:28 - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mark 4:12 - That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, ...[text shortened]... t understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Originally posted by HalitoseBut if you read the origional post it is clear that there is no free will were sin is concerned. He states quite clearly that we dont really have a choice about sinning, otherwise how else would he know that we are all sinners?
Short version. The old free-will argument: man chooses separation from God by disobeying His moral law. By our own free will, we are therefore separated from God. In His love, God fulfilled his own atonement requirements, because no-one else qualified.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageMatthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Where's the Hell?
9:10 And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.
9:11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
9:12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole ...[text shortened]... e mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Originally posted by twhiteheadWe do have the choice to confess our sins and repent from them.
But if you read the origional post it is clear that there is no free will were sin is concerned. He states quite clearly that we dont really have a choice about sinning, otherwise how else would he know that we are all sinners?
Originally posted by dj2beckerI know you gonna dig this...
Matthew 10:28 - And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 5:22 - But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Originally posted by dj2beckerThat was my line, dj. Try to be original.
I know you gonna dig this...
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/smithlr02.html
Originally posted by Bosse de NageCheck the new (edited) link:
That was my line, dj. Try to be original.
I don't see anything in that link about Hell...only a sustained diatribe against a particular person's way of thinking...Why do you want there to be a hell, dj? What's your way of telling when Jesus is using metaphors and when not?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageWhy do you want there to be a hell, dj? What's your way of telling when Jesus is using metaphors and when not?
That was my line, dj. Try to be original.
I don't see anything in that link about Hell...only a sustained diatribe against a particular person's way of thinking...Why do you want there to be a hell, dj? What's your way of telling when Jesus is using metaphors and when not?