06 Dec '05 19:14>
On THE WORD OF GOD thread, there has been a lot of discussion concerning an omniscient God, free will, determinism, etc. I wanted to start a new thread because that one's getting pretty large.
Let me ask a related question. When the Israelites were slaves in Egypt and God was preparing for their exodus, he sent 10 plagues on the Egyptians before Pharaoh would let the people go. In each of the 10 plagues, after (usually) an initial softening in which Pharaoh would say the people could leave, Pharaoh's heart would become hardened and he would go back on his word, saying they must say.
It is interesting to note that in the accounts in Scripture, the notion that Pharaoh hardend his own heart and the God hardened Pharaoh's heart are used interchangably. Consider:
Ex. 7:13 (Aaron's Staff Becomes a Snake): "Yet Pharaoh's heart became hard and he would no listen to them, just as the LORD had said."
Ex. 7:22 (Plague of Blood): "Pharaoh's heart became hard; he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said."
Ex. 8:15 (Plague of Frogs): "But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said."
Ex. 8:19 (Plague of Gnats): "But Pharaoh's heart was hard and he would not listen, just as the LORD had said."
Ex. 8:32 (Plague of Flies): "But this time also Pharaoh hardened his heart and would not let the people go."
Ex. 9:7 (Plague on Livestock): "Yet his heart was unyielding and he would not let the people go."
Ex. 9:12 (Plague of Boils): "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses."
Ex. 9:34-35 (Plague of Hail): "When Pharaoh saw that the rain and hail and thunder had stopped, he sinned again: He and his officials hardened their hearts. So Pharaoh's heart was hard and he would not let the Israelites go, just as the LORD had said through Moses."
Ex. 10:20 (Plague of Locusts): "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go."
Ex. 10:27 (Plague of Darkness): "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he was not willing to let them go."
Ex. 11:9 (Plague on the Firstborn): "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country."
So who hardened Pharaoh's heart? Pharaoh or God? (Don't give the answer that they both just mean pharaoh hardened his heart, and God knew about it, because that's not what it says -- it says Pharaoh hardened Pharaoh's heart, and it also says God hardened Pharaoh's heart.)
Let me ask a related question. When the Israelites were slaves in Egypt and God was preparing for their exodus, he sent 10 plagues on the Egyptians before Pharaoh would let the people go. In each of the 10 plagues, after (usually) an initial softening in which Pharaoh would say the people could leave, Pharaoh's heart would become hardened and he would go back on his word, saying they must say.
It is interesting to note that in the accounts in Scripture, the notion that Pharaoh hardend his own heart and the God hardened Pharaoh's heart are used interchangably. Consider:
Ex. 7:13 (Aaron's Staff Becomes a Snake): "Yet Pharaoh's heart became hard and he would no listen to them, just as the LORD had said."
Ex. 7:22 (Plague of Blood): "Pharaoh's heart became hard; he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said."
Ex. 8:15 (Plague of Frogs): "But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said."
Ex. 8:19 (Plague of Gnats): "But Pharaoh's heart was hard and he would not listen, just as the LORD had said."
Ex. 8:32 (Plague of Flies): "But this time also Pharaoh hardened his heart and would not let the people go."
Ex. 9:7 (Plague on Livestock): "Yet his heart was unyielding and he would not let the people go."
Ex. 9:12 (Plague of Boils): "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses."
Ex. 9:34-35 (Plague of Hail): "When Pharaoh saw that the rain and hail and thunder had stopped, he sinned again: He and his officials hardened their hearts. So Pharaoh's heart was hard and he would not let the Israelites go, just as the LORD had said through Moses."
Ex. 10:20 (Plague of Locusts): "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go."
Ex. 10:27 (Plague of Darkness): "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he was not willing to let them go."
Ex. 11:9 (Plague on the Firstborn): "But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country."
So who hardened Pharaoh's heart? Pharaoh or God? (Don't give the answer that they both just mean pharaoh hardened his heart, and God knew about it, because that's not what it says -- it says Pharaoh hardened Pharaoh's heart, and it also says God hardened Pharaoh's heart.)