Who hardened Pharaoh's heart?

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Originally posted by RBHILL
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Coletti
Originally posted by Coletti
Seems so obvious, doesn't it? I agree - sometimes Pharoah, sometimes God.

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
So if God did it, then God was the cause of action against his own people simply to cause suffering to his "enemy." If he was truly benevolent, then would he not have allowed the Pharoah to NOT harden his heart and allow the people to leave?

Why harden the Pharoah's heart Himself, since all that would do would bring on another plague? Seems that, in the cases where God hardened the Pharoah's heart, God WANTED to inflict the plagues upon the people of Eqypt. How benevolent is that?


Any thoughts?

Originally posted by KnightWulfe

Any thoughts?

Pharaoh had a thrombosis that came and went.

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
Any thoughts?

God had a plan to get his people out of Egypt. Pharaoh was part of the means of accomplishing that plan. The plan itself would show the world that God was in control of things, not Pharaoh, and not the Israelites.

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
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Why harden the Pharoah's heart Himself, since all that would do would bring on another plague? Seems that, in the cases where God hardened the Pharoah's heart, God WANTED to inflict the plagues upon the people of Eqypt. How benevolent is that?


Any thoughts?

Indeed.

It appears the God is not omni-benevolent. And this seems to be the case for if he were, we'd all be happy and peaceful and loving to each other. For an omniscient and omni-benevolent god would prevent all suffering and pain. This is the "problem of evil" question.

viagra hardened his heart
duh

Originally posted by Coletti
Indeed.

It appears the God is not omni-benevolent. And this seems to be the case for if he were, we'd all be happy and peaceful and loving to each other. For an omniscient and omni-benevolent god would prevent all suffering and pain. This is the "problem of evil" question.

The "Problem of evil" question.....

Well.... given that God is the one, per the biblical writing, that actually brought about these acts, would that not say, per the bible and the attributation to the "problem of evil" that God, Himself has an evil side?

On that note.... Since Christianity claims to be a mono-theistic religion, Satan should not be a god. He is, however, worshipped, thus being placed on a deific pedestal.

Could it be that, in fact, God IS Satan? They are one and the same? he is both sides of the coin?

Note - this is not meant to flare the Christian community, I am not attacking any beliefs with the questions...they are based upon the responses received...

Originally posted by aspviper666
viagra hardened his heart
duh

I did not think that is what viagra hardened......

Originally posted by joelek
God had a plan to get his people out of Egypt. Pharaoh was part of the means of accomplishing that plan. The plan itself would show the world that God was in control of things, not Pharaoh, and not the Israelites.

True...that is the belief...but why inflict pain and suffering upon Eqypt, with deliberation!?

To inflict such a thing and mean to do so roots solidly in what humanity has defined as EVIL.

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
...To inflict such a thing and mean to do so roots solidly in what humanity has defined as EVIL.

Who is "humanity" and how does he define what is evil? 😛

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
Could it be that, in fact, God IS Satan? They are one and the same? he is both sides of the coin?

Note - this is not meant to flare the Christian community, I am not attacking any beliefs with the questions...they are based upon the responses received...

Kind of a yin and yang thing.

But if not that - then how come evil still occurs?

Originally posted by Coletti
Who is "humanity" and how does he define what is evil? 😛

You are avoiding the question.....

Humanity - the compilation of all humans of the planet to have lived, who are living and who will live....

Every religion, faith, philosophy has a definition for what is evil. The deliberate cause of pain and suffering is an evil act. Even if you go by what is taught biblically....it is evil.

Now.... why would God perform an act of evil?

Originally posted by Coletti
Kind of a yin and yang thing.

But if not that - then how come evil still occurs?

Perhaps God's divine purpose is not pure light and benevolence....

Perhaps it is a balance of all that is good and evil and in one's journey through life that is the lesson to be learned?

Pehaps the Goodness of God is reflected in Jesus and the Evilness is reflected in Satan?

Originally posted by KnightWulfe
You are avoiding the question.....

Humanity - the compilation of all humans of the planet to have lived, who are living and who will live....

Every religion, faith, philosophy has a definition for what is evil. The deliberate cause of pain and suffering is an evil act. Even if you go by what is taught biblically....it is evil.

Now.... why would God perform an act of evil?

That's not the biblical definition of evil. That would mean getting a tattoo is evil. It would mean a doctor resetting a broken bone is evil. That would mean defending someone from attack is evil. Heck, we cause pain and suffering all the time and it's not evil by most standards, much less biblically.