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  1. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    24 Jul '11 00:15
    What in the name of Sam Hill is going on with baseball? A six man rotation? Are you freakin' kidding me? A six man rotation? And it's not just some deranged manager who's gone rogue, it's several of them. How many teams are buying in to this madness? Where does it stop? A seven man rotation? An eight man rotation? It's pure, unadulterated madness! Why even have a rotation at all? Why not just have nine pitchers who each pitch one inning per game? Hey, I've got an idea; why not just get a freakin' pitching machine and quit worrying about tiring out the poor arms of human pitchers! This is the worst thing since the designated hitter! It makes me want to vomit, I tell you!
  2. Standard member RevRSleeker
    CerebrallyChallenged
    24 Jul '11 00:22
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What in the name of Sam Hill is going on with baseball? A six man rotation? Are you freakin' kidding me? A six man rotation? And it's not just some deranged manager who's gone rogue, it's several of them. How many teams are buying in to this madness? Where does it stop? A seven man rotation? An eight man rotation? It's pure, unadulterated madness! Why even ...[text shortened]... is is the worst thing since the designated hitter! It makes me want to vomit, I tell you!
    Some guy was on tv the other day suggesting 'us Europeans would enjoy baseball if we embraced it'...going off that load of old cobblers, I think we'll stick with cricket
  3. Subscriber shortcircuit
    The Energizer
    24 Jul '11 02:07
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What in the name of Sam Hill is going on with baseball? A six man rotation? Are you freakin' kidding me? A six man rotation? And it's not just some deranged manager who's gone rogue, it's several of them. How many teams are buying in to this madness? Where does it stop? A seven man rotation? An eight man rotation? It's pure, unadulterated madness! Why even ...[text shortened]... is is the worst thing since the designated hitter! It makes me want to vomit, I tell you!
    Two things you should consider before you dis the 6 man rotation.

    First, if they have six quality starters, it is not a terrible idea.
    You would reduce the wear and tear on rotator cuffs.
    The additional rest would leave the pitchers stronger.
    If a pitcher did get hurt, pushing the other starters to 4 days of rest would not be a
    problem in the long haul.
    In theory, it would allow the starters to go deeper into games due to reduced load.
    This would negate the need for a deep bullpen.

    Second, in these days of expensive arms, preventative measures would seem to
    protect the team's investment, and reduce the possibility of blowing out an arm
    for a period of time or permanently.

    Personally, I would rather see starters going deep into games.
    If this allowed them to go 7 to 8 innings rather than 5 to 6 innings,
    I think it is a positive move.
    Due to the destruction of the capillaries and the muscle in the pitching arm each
    game, the additional time between starts would aid the healing process.

    Today's game is not the same as the game of old.
    The advent of long term, guaranteed money contracts has caused this.
    Up until free agency and multi-year contracts, the players played year to year.
    No one sat out for fear they would never get back in.
    Now, with the long term deals, the players sit out with a hang nail.
    Hell, they have maternity leave, personal leave, grief leave.
    They have union rules on game times after travel.
    Many stars don't play day games after night games.

    The evolution is inevitable.
  4. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    24 Jul '11 11:26
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    Two things you should consider before you dis the 6 man rotation.

    First, if they have six quality starters, it is not a terrible idea.
    You would reduce the wear and tear on rotator cuffs.
    The additional rest would leave the pitchers stronger.
    If a pitcher did get hurt, pushing the other starters to 4 days of rest would not be a
    problem in the lon ...[text shortened]... travel.
    Many stars don't play day games after night games.

    The evolution is inevitable.
    First of all, NOBODY currently has, has ever had, or will ever have, six quality starters. Nobody. You're just putting one more garbage pitcher into the rotation and decreasing the number of starts your good pitchers end up getting. I recognize that the four man rotation, with the insane number of innings pitchers used to log, led to an increased incidence of arm injuries. There is an optimal number of innings that a pitcher should be expected to put in each year, but it will not be found within the confines of a six man rotation.

    Secondly, your contention that a six man rotation will lead to pitchers being able to go deeper into the games is nothing but nonsense. The five man rotation didn't increase the number of innings per start over that of the four man rotation. If anything, the number continued to go down. Your innings per start will continue to drop in a six man rotation until all starters end up going the five inning minimum, followed by four relievers at one inning apiece.

    You may think this madness is inevitable, but I say it can be stopped. And it must be stopped now before it spreads any further.
  5. Subscriber shortcircuit
    The Energizer
    24 Jul '11 17:07 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    First of all, NOBODY currently has, has ever had, or will ever have, six quality starters. Nobody. You're just putting one more garbage pitcher into the rotation and decreasing the number of starts your good pitchers end up getting. I recognize that the four man rotation, with the insane number of innings pitchers used to log, led to an increased incidence itable, but I say it can be stopped. And it must be stopped now before it spreads any further.
    Okay, first of all, when something is tried for the first time, NOBODY, has ever done it before.
    This shouldn't be rocket science to you.

    Second, you say no one has 6 quality starters?
    Well, if a guy is on a major league roster, he should be good enough to pitch.
    Furthermore, there are guys left in the minors who could start, IF there was a place in
    the major league rotation.
    This will cause teams to shift their development back to starters.
    Look at the composition of major league rosters now.
    Pitchers were all either starters or relievers. No one was groomed for a middle relief role.
    Those guys are #5 or #6 starters. They settle for a role that gets them in the show.
    Surely you can see that.
    Now, I am not saying that anyone will have 6 #1's as starters, but yes, it is quite
    possible to have 6 starting pitchers.
    This will reduce arm injuries over time as well.
    Also, it will allow clubs to stretch out their innings again without fear of over work.
    Yes, your superstars may miss out on a few starts, but their innings pitched wouldn't
    be significantly reduced. There wouldn't be any 300+ IP...the top would be 250 now.
    Where is the rub there?
    Are you saying you PREFER middle inning guys who eat 70-80 innings a year over
    seeing starters stay in longer than 5 or 6 innings?
    Pitch counts have been around for a number of years and are used because of the
    wear and tear on the arms throwing every 4th day. Now most use every 5th day.

    Your dramatization that "it must be stopped now before it spreads" borders on ridiculous.
    Everyone said Billy Beane was an idiot as a GM.
    His conception of sabermetrics or "moneyball" is now becoming standardized by several clubs.
    Clubs with the young minds such as Theo Epstein in Boston and Andrew Friedman in Tampa.
    Clubs who seem to be doing fairly well.
    This was scoffed at originally as well.
  6. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    24 Jul '11 23:48
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    Okay, first of all, when something is tried for the first time, NOBODY, has ever done it before.
    This shouldn't be rocket science to you.

    Second, you say no one has 6 quality starters?
    Well, if a guy is on a major league roster, he should be good enough to pitch.
    Furthermore, there are guys left in the minors who could start, IF there was a plac ...[text shortened]... Tampa.
    Clubs who seem to be doing fairly well.
    This was scoffed at originally as well.
    You are an effing idiot. Have you ever watched a baseball game in your friggin' life? I don't have time to waste on the bulk of your idiocy, but I will examine one obvious shortcoming in your arithmetic:

    162 games divided by 6 pitchers = 27 starts per pitcher.
    27 starts x 9 innings = 243 innings.

    If a pitcher completed EVERY game he started in the course of the year, he's have 243 innings pitched. Of course, we all know that isn't going to happen. With your moronic system in place, they'll end up with something like:

    27 starts x 5 innings = 135 innings.

    There you have it. Why don't you go to the 'general forum' and quit wasting my time.
  7. 25 Jul '11 02:19
    in the 2010 season Roy Halladay had the most innings pitched with 250 in all of baseball, after the top 7 you go down to the low 220s.

    seems to me with a 6 man rotation top line would go down to around 200 with the top 20 ave being around 170.
  8. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    25 Jul '11 02:24
    Originally posted by trev33
    in the 2010 season Roy Halladay had the most innings pitched with 250 in all of baseball, after the top 7 you go down to the low 220s.

    seems to me with a 6 man rotation top line would go down to around 200 with the top 20 ave being around 170.
    You, sir, obviously know your baseball. You are a credit to the sport.
  9. Subscriber shortcircuit
    The Energizer
    25 Jul '11 04:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    You are an effing idiot. Have you ever watched a baseball game in your friggin' life? I don't have time to waste on the bulk of your idiocy, but I will examine one obvious shortcoming in your arithmetic:

    162 games divided by 6 pitchers = 27 starts per pitcher.
    27 starts x 9 innings = 243 innings.

    If a pitcher completed EVERY game he started in the c

    There you have it. Why don't you go to the 'general forum' and quit wasting my time.
    No. you are the idiot. You have no idea who you are talking to and you make a moronic
    statement about my background. LMAO.

    Have you ever played the game? I did and was a pitcher.
    And blew out my shoulder. You want to talk knowledge?
    You better go get help to keep up.

    Only a moron would divide the season as you have.
    Obviously (well to knowledgeable people) there are off days, rainouts, etc...
    Several times during the season, the last pitcher is skipped in the rotation to keep the rest on turn.

    The idea here is to reduce the wear, thereby allowing the pitchers to go deeper
    into games without adding wear on their arms.

    Pull your head out of your backside and take a look at what I am saying.
    And, in the future, try not to let your alligator mouth overload your tadpole butt.
  10. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    25 Jul '11 10:22
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    No. you are the idiot. You have no idea who you are talking to and you make a moronic
    statement about my background. LMAO.

    Have you ever played the game? I did and was a pitcher.
    And blew out my shoulder. You want to talk knowledge?
    You better go get help to keep up.

    Only a moron would divide the season as you have.
    Obviously (well to knowledg ...[text shortened]... am saying.
    And, in the future, try not to let your alligator mouth overload your tadpole butt.
    The six man rotation is of the devil. It must be stopped by any means possible. If weaklings like you cannot endure the rigors of a proper five man rotation, then so be it. You'd probably find the strain of being a left handed bullpen specialist too taxing.

    And, in the future, try not to let your alligator mouth overload your tadpole butt.

    I will admit, though, that I did find that sentence to be an amusing one. Kudos for that.
  11. Subscriber shortcircuit
    The Energizer
    25 Jul '11 13:08
    Originally posted by rwingett
    The six man rotation is of the devil. It must be stopped by any means possible. If weaklings like you cannot endure the rigors of a proper five man rotation, then so be it. You'd probably find the strain of being a left handed bullpen specialist too taxing.

    [b]And, in the future, try not to let your alligator mouth overload your tadpole butt.


    I will admit, though, that I did find that sentence to be an amusing one. Kudos for that.[/b]
    Well, since I am a right hander, I would find being a left handed specialist particularly
    difficult.

    When I blew out my arm, we were on a four man rotation, btw.
    I only topped out at 92 mph on my fastball however.
    My out pitch was the slider which came in around 86-87mph.

    I still think you are over-reacting to the 6 man rotation.
    But, it appears that your mind is set on destruction.
    I'll bet it really chaps your ass when they bat a pitcher 8th too.
    LaRussa and a couple of other have tried this on occasion.

    The real devil's tool was the DH.
    That changed the real game of baseball.
    As much as I despise that rule, it is still around.
    The 6 man rotation may become your DH.
    Who knows?