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    10 Jan '13 04:28
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    Because, the PED's you are so rife to claim were cheating, were not against the
    rules when many of the "victims" supposedly used them, and now it is the morals
    issue. All crimes fall under the "morals" issue. If one is guilty, they are all guilty.

    Performance enhancers have been in existence and used since before we both we born.
    It used to be u ...[text shortened]... How can you make a distinction to say one is worse than the other?
    This is your judgment.
    Do you even know has an enhancer is? Alcohol does not enhance athletic performance so there is no reason to determine who used/ abused alcohol. PEDs made guys into super humans. BBWA correctly did not honor those who super human accomplishments were the result of having a good pharmacist.

    Biggio is .280 career hitter who did not have power. Morris won 200 games. It simply isn't a travesty to not include marginal candidates like them.
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    10 Jan '13 05:011 edit
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Do you even know has an enhancer is? Alcohol does not enhance athletic performance so there is no reason to determine who used/ abused alcohol. PEDs made guys into super humans. BBWA correctly did not honor those who super human accomplishments were the result of having a good pharmacist.

    Biggio is .280 career hitter who did not have power. Morris won 200 games. It simply isn't a travesty to not include marginal candidates like them.
    Do you read the posts before you respond.
    I don't give a crap about your PED crusade.

    How should that have prevented two guys, who were not ever associated with PED's
    from getting enshrined? Because of the blank ballots.


    Your lack of baseball knowledge is showing again.

    Biggio had 300o+ hits, he is the ONLY player with 400SB & 250HR. (he had 291 HR)
    He had 1175 RBI hitting predominantly from the lead off spot.
    He is the all time leader in HBP
    4 gold gloves
    5 silver slugger awards
    won the Roberto Clemente award in 2007
    7 all star games
    Played three different positions, starting at two different positions in the All star games.

    Yep, you think he has no power and is not worthy. What a rube!

    Jack Morris was the best money pitcher of the 80's.
    He started 4 or 5 All Star games in a row.
    He was the opening day starter for his team 13 straight years.
    He was the man in two different World Series'.
    His 10 inning game 7 was epic.
    Now I guess you won't like his ERA.

    How do you suppose Phil Rizzuto or Pee Wee Reese deserve the HOF?
    Ozzie Smith only hit 280 with no power but he could field. He gets the hall.
    Guess that makes Viszuel a lock!!
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    10 Jan '13 13:36
    Originally posted by shortcircuit
    Do you read the posts before you respond.
    I don't give a crap about your PED crusade.

    How should that have prevented two guys, who were not ever associated with PED's
    from getting enshrined? Because of the blank ballots.


    Your lack of baseball knowledge is showing again.

    Biggio had 300o+ hits, he is the ONLY player with 400SB & 250HR. (he h ...[text shortened]... 280 with no power but he could field. He gets the hall.
    Guess that makes Viszuel a lock!!
    I certainly can read the garbage you write but that does not make it true. If a writer thinks none of the above candidates is a Hall of Famer than they should cast a ballot with no one on it. We

    Your memory of Morris simply does not match reality. Jack Morris did not even ever PLAY in 3 consecutive All Star games. He certainly did not start 4 or 5 All Star games in a row. He had a 3.90 career ERA. He never finished in the top two in Cy Young voting. He was very good but certainly not great.

    Biggio never finished in the top 3 in MVP voting. He has .281 career batting average without power. He was not a shortstop. He is good but not great and he certainly isn't as great as Tim Raines who had almost twice the SBs and a higher OBP and isn't in. Biggio will probably get in eventually but when guys like Yogi Berra (who won 3 MVPs, finished second twice, third once and 4th once, and went to the All Star game 15 years in row) do not make it on their first ballot then there is certainly no reason to complain about Biggio.

    Rizzuto never would have made it as a player if he was not a legendary broadcaster. Nevertheless just because some guys got in who did not deserve it, does not mean we should continually make mistakes.
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