Best Ever Football Manager...

Originally posted by blade68
Good points Sally Cinnamon, but he has to prove himself over a period of time surely before you can claim him as 'The Greatest'?
He worked wonders at Porto, but has been given the equivalent of Mexico's national debt in order to win things at Chelski... I believe an average Manager could have done what he's done at Stamford Bridge given the same resources.. ...[text shortened]... ent, he's behind Fergie...

I'm not disputing his potential - it now needs fulfilling.

I suppose you're talking to me, right?

# With FC Porto (in 2 years):

* Portuguese Championships (2): 2002/03; 2003/04
* SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira: 2003
* Cup of Portugal: 2002/03
* UEFA Cup: 2002/03
* UEFA Champions League: 2003/04

# With Chelsea FC (in 2 years):

* FA Premier League (2): 2004/05; 2005/06
* Football League Cup: 2004/05
* FA Community Shield: 2005

And remember that he lost only to the winners in CL with Chelsea. Football isn't an exact science, but still...

I name him the greatest (along with Capello) for the reasons I've said before regarding the evolution of management in football.

he has nothing on ferguson!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Palynka
[b]I suppose you're talking to me, right?

Yeah... I was ... got the names mixed up a bit!

Originally posted by blade68
Yeah... I was ... got the names mixed up a bit!

😉

With a porn-name like Sally Cinnamon, it's only normal that you do!

Originally posted by Palynka
[b]😉

With a porn-name like Sally Cinnamon, it's only normal that yo

The thread is titled "Greatest manager ever" isnt it? Not greatest modern day manager and if you want to compare honour lists then i think you should take a look at Bob paisleys trophey cabinet.

* 1974/75 Charity Shield : First prize of his managerial career
* 1975/76 League Championship (Division 1) : First major trophy of his managerial career
* 1975/76 UEFA Cup : His first European trophy and Liverpool's second
* 1976/77 Charity Shield : His second Charity Shield
* 1976/77 League Championship (Division 1) : His second league title
* 1976/77 European Cup : Liverpool's first European Cup - club would have ended season as treble winners had it not been for an F.A Cup final defeat to Manchester United
* 1977/78 Charity Shield Shared : Shared with Manchester United, who beat them in the previous season's cup final
* 1977/78 European Super Cup : Liverpool's first Super Cup
* 1977/78 European Cup : Retained European Cup from the previous year
* 1978/79 League Championship (Division 1) : Third title in four years
* 1979/80 Charity Shield : His fourth charity shield
* 1979/80 League Championship (Division 1) : Fourth title in five years
* 1980/81 League Cup : Liverpool's first ever League Cup
* 1980/81 European Cup : European Cup number 3
* 1981/82 League Cup : Retained League Cup
* 1981/82 League Championship (Division 1) : Fifth title in seven years
* 1982/83 Charity Shield : Charity shield number 5
* 1982/83 League Cup : Third successive League Cup
* 1982/83 League Championship (Division 1) : 21st and final managerial prize

And i dont think i ever recall him sliding on his Kness down the touchline like a 9 year old child at an uncles wedding.

Originally posted by sally cinnamon
The thread is titled "Greatest manager ever" isnt it? Not greatest modern day manager and if you want to compare honour lists then i think you should take a look at Bob paisleys trophey cabinet.

* 1974/75 Charity Shield : First prize of his managerial career
* 1975/76 League Championship (Division 1) : First major trophy of his managerial him sliding on his Kness down the touchline like a 9 year old child at an uncles wedding.

3 European Cups and at least a trophy every season for his 9 years ... and all that in an era when Notts Forest (x2) and Aston Villa in the same league were also European Champions.

Bob Paisley was the man. R.I.P

Originally posted by Palynka
I suppose you're talking to me, right?

# With FC Porto (in 2 years):

* Portuguese Championships (2): 2002/03; 2003/04
* SuperCup Cândido de Oliveira: 2003
* Cup of Portugal: 2002/03
* UEFA Cup: 2002/03
* UEFA Champions League: 2003/04

# With Chelsea FC (in 2 years):

* FA Premier League (2): 2004/05; 2005/06
* Foot ...[text shortened]... Capello) for the reasons I've said before regarding the evolution of management in football.

Being Great surely also refers to the manner in which you do things. Calling opponents and refs cheats, and getting your players to behave like kindergarten children isn't my idea of Great.

Well done to Mourinho for winning some mickey-mouse league in a 2 team championship like the Portuguese. I also congratulate him for winning trophies in England while spending hundreds of millions of pounds on players which were not bought in a way that makes economic sense. He's obviously a genius. 🙄

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Fergie of course

Originally posted by Palynka
I name him [Mourinho] the greatest (along with Capello) for the reasons I've said before regarding the evolution of management in football.

We're running into the same difficulty you always get when comparing players/teams etc from different eras. Things are always going to change. So I think it makes more sense to compare with contemporaries. For example, I reckon the Brazil 1970 team would get stuffed nowadays because of the pace the game is now played at, but I'd still rate them as one of the greatest teams ever (if not the greatest).

So I wouldn't agree with your argument. There are other managers that have been more successful, and other managers that have been more innovative, in comparison to their own time.

(I probably wouldn't agree even among current managers, but that's another matter...)

Originally posted by Ragnorak
Being Great surely also refers to the manner in which you do things. Calling opponents and refs cheats, and getting your players to behave like kindergarten children isn't my idea of Great.

Well done to Mourinho for winning some mickey-mouse league in a 2 team championship like the Portuguese. I also congratulate him for winning trophies in England whi ...[text shortened]... which were not bought in a way that makes economic sense. He's obviously a genius. 🙄

D

LMAO!! Talk about sour grapes.

He's a genius and you'll keep hating him while he keeps winning. Obviously he won't win all the championships he participates in, even if he has done so in all the 4 full years that he was in charge of his clubs.

Not to mention having already a Champions League and a Uefa Cup in consecutive years, especially with a 'mickey-mouse' club that was in 5th place in a 'mickey-mouse' league when he took over.

Now THAT is an achievement. Genius, indeed.

PS: Keep capitalizing that g in great. It's amusing.

Originally posted by mtthw
We're running into the same difficulty you always get when comparing players/teams etc from different eras. Things are always going to change. So I think it makes more sense to compare with contemporaries. For example, I reckon the Brazil 1970 team would get stuffed nowadays because of the pace the game is now played at, but I'd still rate them as one of t ...[text shortened]... e.

(I probably wouldn't agree even among current managers, but that's another matter...)

Name them.

I'm the only one that justifies his opinions and isn't simply throwing names in the air. It would be nice to see someone else do the same.

Originally posted by Palynka
Name them.

I'm the only one that justifies his opinions and isn't simply throwing names in the air. It would be nice to see someone else do the same.

Get off your high horse! At least 4 other people have given a name and an opinion 😛

Originally posted by Palynka
I name him the greatest (along with Capello) for the reasons I've said before regarding the evolution of management in football.

Shouldn't that be "regarding the evolution of coaching in football"? Even then I'd still probably disagree with you.

You refer to his preparation and man management skills... All I can see is that he winds his players by warning them that their opponents are going to cheat them and the ref is going to cheat them. He constantly makes excuses and blames other people for their indiscretions. He's an embarrassment to football.

How does substituting players after 15-20 minutes show good man management skills? Shaun Wright Phillips was an international shoe in before Mourinho got his hands on him, and turned him into a bumbling wreck.

D

Originally posted by sally cinnamon
The thread is titled "Greatest manager ever" isnt it? Not greatest modern day manager and if you want to compare honour lists then i think you should take a look at Bob paisleys trophey cabinet.

* 1974/75 Charity Shield : First prize of his managerial career
* 1975/76 League Championship (Division 1) : First major trophy of his managerial ...[text shortened]... him sliding on his Kness down the touchline like a 9 year old child at an uncles wedding.

So that's a end of career trophy cabinet. Mourinho is far from being finished.

So what if he slid on his knees? I think it's much better than some uptight idiot. Same thing with Cantona, the reason he was great was because he didn't play the hypocrite like the majority of players/managers do.

Originally posted by Palynka
Name them.

I'm the only one that justifies his opinions and isn't simply throwing names in the air. It would be nice to see someone else do the same.

As pointed out, a few others have been named already.

I mentioned Herbert Chapman. Bob Paisley is another. Brian Clough. And that's just from English football - there are probably others from other countries I'm less familiar with.

Among current managers, and considering the resources available to them, I'd put Wenger ahead of him.

Mourinho might match these people eventually. But he hasn't yet.