Originally posted by no1marauder Again, you are cherry picking. Last year alone, 4 teams with payrolls higher than $90 million had losing seasons: The White Sox, Orioles, Cardinals and Giants. And I suggest you read the title you gave the thread: your claim was that a certain amount of money could "buy" a team into the playoffs, not merely to a winning record. You are goalpost shifting when the actual facts show your original premise is false.
I think the stats I provided speak for themselves. 😀
The whole arguement that teams that don't spend money need "corporate welfare" is a joke and is 100% based on selective facts.
Completely ignored are teams with high payrolls who don't do well (as No1) pointed out.
Also ignored is the fact that cost of living is much higher in places like New York and Boston than Texas which has no income tax. The cost also isn't just dollars it is invasivness. There is no doubt on the east coas baseball is still the #1 sport and in other regions people care about other sports like high school football.
The Marlins have the lowest payroll and the best record in baseball. Their best player until yesterday got paid virtually nothing and still gets far less than he would if he had been eligible for free agency. The Marlins have talented young players who they chose to pay at much less than market value (if they were free to sign anywhere) and now we should cry for them because they have a lower total salary?
Right now the Twins (24th), Oakland (28th), Florida (30th) and Arizona (23) are in first place while the two worst records in the AL Seattle (9th) and Detroit (2nd). I think baseball more than ever is not about how much you spend.
Originally posted by no1marauder You are using selective, cherry picked stats to "prove" an invalid point. Of course, the White Sox had to have a winning season or they wouldn't have been eligible to win a World Championship, would they? And the fact you went back to 2005 is illuminating; I presume the 2006 and 2007 facts didn't support your argument as well.
Jebus, talk about cherry picking stats.
How many other teams that didn't have high payrolls made the playoffs in the past 5 years? How many with high payrolls have made it?
Do the math and you'll see your argument is dumber than a.....
This was posted from last years thread about buying playoff appearances. You can't really buy a championship but you can almost for sure buy yourself a playoff appearance which at least gives you the shot at a championship...
Since 2003.....
Team.....playoff appearances.....League Payroll position (8 is avg)
Here's a run down of the last 6 YEARS of who made the playoffs..Yankees every year and Boston 4 times outta 6..
02 NY
03 NY & BOS
04 NY & BOS
05 NY & BOS
06 NY
07 NY & BOS
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Since 2003.....
The top 4 teams in salary have made it to the playoffs 13 times while the bottom 11 teams in salary have made it only 6 times
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These stats are irrefutable but go on, use your weak example of a team that made it in which in your mind somehow disproves all of this....we promise not to laugh at you.
Baseball has more parity than any other American sport and all I hear is small fans cry.
Fact: Other than the Yankees no team has a current streak of making the playoffs more than one year in a row.
Fact: 4 of the 6 first place teams have a salary of 23rd or higher including two of the bottom 3. The other team is more games over .500 then they have ever been in their entire history.
I am amazed that fans root who root for certain incompetent organizations exonerate their multi-millionaire owners who refuses to spend money despite revenue sharing and charging you full price for cable and tickets.
Originally posted by uzless This was posted from last years thread about buying playoff appearances. You can't really buy a championship but you can almost for sure buy yourself a playoff appearance which at least gives you the shot at a championship...
Since 2003.....
Team.....playoff appearances.....League Payroll position (8 is avg)
NY..............5.................... ...[text shortened]... made it in which in your mind somehow disproves all of this....we promise not to laugh at you.
I guess you didn't bother to look at the stats for last year. Laugh all you want; the fact is spending any amount of money on payroll doesn't assure you of anything.
Originally posted by uzless These stats are irrefutable but go on, use your weak example of a team that made it in which in your mind somehow disproves all of this....we promise not to laugh at you.[/b]
Now, now, go easy on him. After all, he is a Yankee fan. Why shake up things when they are already in your favor.
Originally posted by no1marauder The stats you presented were cherry picked and grossly incomplete. The overall stats don't support your original thesis.
whodey: From this we can see that in order to buy a winning season all one has to do is spend over $90 million
Tell that to the 2007 White Sox, Orioles, Giants and Cardinals.
I will put it another way. Have you ever heard the addage that you get what you pay for? Of course you don't always, but on average you most certainly do.
Originally posted by whodey I will put it another way. Have you ever heard the addage that you get what you pay for? Of course you don't always, but on average you most certainly do.
Last year, the team with the 6th lowest payroll made it into the World Series; the team with the 5th highest payroll won 72 games. Baseball is far more competitive than other sports with a salary cap; there hasn't been a repeat champion since 2000 and only the Red Sox have won two World Series in that time. Contrast and compare that with leagues with a salary cap like the NBA and NFL where one team has dominated the last decade.
and every team in baseball had between a .400 and .600 winning percentage but in the past season the NFL (which prides itself on a team can win every given sunday has undefeated teams) and the NBA has a teams winning 22 games in a row another which played .805 ball and 5 teams that play below .300
Originally posted by no1marauder I guess you didn't bother to look at the stats for last year.
Laugh all you want; the fact is spending any amount of money on payroll doesn't assure you of anything.
Last year? Yankees and Boston...Number 1 and Number 2 in salary. Are you an idiot or what??
No one is saying a high salary ASSURES you of anything. We are saying it is VERY LIKELY you will get into the playoffs as evidenced by the fricking stats i've posted.
How you can look at the stats and not get it through your head proves you only believe what you want to believe.
Boston and New York...Number 1 and number 2 in salary again this year. Who wants to bet one or both of them get in the playoffs this year?????? I'll take any bets from anyone that says they won't get in the playoffs.
Originally posted by leepound and every team in baseball had between a .400 and .600 winning percentage but in the past season the NFL (which prides itself on a team can win every given sunday has undefeated teams) and the NBA has a teams winning 22 games in a row another which played .805 ball and 5 teams that play below .300
...proving once and for all that there isn't enough talent in the league to support that many teams. Contraction in the NBA is a no brainer. Contract the number of teams and you'll see those win percentages get closer.
Never mind how magnified injuries are in the NBA compared to how well a team does. You get a starter in MLB and the team keeps on rolling. A NBA team loses one or 2 of its stars and they lose 10 in a row.
buy me into the playoffs!
12 May '08 12:32
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