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Originally posted by richfeetYou have to keep in mind that Gibson's "800" homers (which is an estimated total anyway) were hit against all levels of competition. This includes both Negro League games and exhibition games. By the same token, we could say that Babe Ruth hit close to 1,000 home runs if we include all exhibitions and barnstorming trips.
The Babe set his records before Blacks were allowed to play i dont count the records before blacks were allowed to play. Black players had to play in the Negro Leagues in which many records were broken for example Josh Gibson hit over 800 home runs in the Negro League who knows how many he would have hit in the majors if he and the others were allowed to play but due to Jim Crow they were never gave a chance
Originally posted by TheBloopThey don't call him "The Babe Ruth of the Negro Leagues" for nothing.
You have to keep in mind that Gibson's "800" homers (which is an estimated total anyway) were hit against all levels of competition. This includes both Negro League games and exhibition games. By the same token, we could say that Babe Ruth hit close to 1,000 home runs if we include all exhibitions and barnstorming trips.
However, Gibson, had he been ...[text shortened]... tadium.
No question that Gibson could very well have been the greatest hitter of all time.
Originally posted by Red NightYes, it's unfortunate that there's really no way of knowing what Gibson would have hit in the majors. I know there are records out there documenting what he did against barnstorming major leaguers, but even if we had box scores of all such games in which Gibson participated, the data sample would still probably be too small to make any real judgements.
They don't call him "The Babe Ruth of the Negro Leagues" for nothing.
The Josh Gibson story has all of the elements for the creation of a cult figure: the lost opportunity, the mystery, and the early demise.
We could just as easily call him the "James Dean of the Negro Leagues."
By all accounts he was a great hitter. Had he played in the majors ...[text shortened]... mind, Gibson isn't as good as any of those three, but there is no way to tell for sure.
Originally posted by TheBloopFirst, I have to tell you that I'm not a big James fan. I think he made some math errors and jumped to some silly conclusions.
Yes, it's unfortunate that there's really no way of knowing what Gibson would have hit in the majors. I know there are records out there documenting what he did against barnstorming major leaguers, but even if we had box scores of all such games in which Gibson participated, the data sample would still probably be too small to make any real judgements.
that he would not have hit what he did in most other times, and in most other places.